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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio now here's

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gene Stein okay this week on the power

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cast it's just me gene Steinberg Chris

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O'Brien is on assignment and he'll be

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back next week in the meantime and we'll

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introduce him in just a moment but we

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have a guest who's written a fascinating

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book called a king from Ohio and when I

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saw that title I first thought of a

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movie from the 1950s called it came from

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an outer space but maybe there's a

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slight connection we're going to find

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out from James Brandenburg right now let

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me just tell our listeners that we've

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gotten to some just really good

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reactions to recent shows it's been

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all-star all the time last week for

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example we had Ted row of narc cap the

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National Aviation reporting Center on

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anomalous phenomena where they call

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you've heard of them right they call

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UFOs you ApS unidentified aerial

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phenomena and really gracious gas law of

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good information we had the wild

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outspoken guest George Wingfield the

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week before but a little bit later early

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in July we're going to be featuring our

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old friend Nick Redfern who we've made a

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guest co-host because sometimes he comes

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back and serves in that capacity but

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every year he comes out with a couple of

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really fascinating books and his latest

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one is called Close Encounters of the

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fatal Kind subtitled suspicious deaths

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mysterious murders and bizarre

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coming in early July Nick Redfern but

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today it came from Ohio the author is

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James Renner he's a journalist he's a

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blogger a novelist and in his spare time

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it says here he hunts serial killers

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better you than me James let me ask you

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before we go on with a few other things

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how does one get involved in the hobby

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of chasing after a serial killer and you

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ever wonder if they might chase back

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after you

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you know when I was a reporter at this

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magazine in Cleveland called scene and I

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also worked for the free times for a

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while we had this editor his name was

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Pete cots a big surly guy an old man

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from the see character I once went to

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him with that question and I said you

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know what what about these people that

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I'm writing about these these killers

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won't they come after me and he said

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Jimmy they never come after the writer

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they go after your sources so don't

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worry about it so you know I've never

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and he's right I mean I'm it's never

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happened where they've come after me

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either but they generally don't go after

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the people that write the stories that

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insanity and I don't want to start a

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trend yeah right right now let me tell

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you another story now back in the 1970s

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Charleston South Carolina and there was

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a funny scene there where our news

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director would do an evening gig at one

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of the local TV stations and you'd see

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every night and one evening live on the

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air they pulled his desk the anchors

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desk away from him and he was wearing

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so James Renner obviously we're doing

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radio and we only see a picture of you

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probably escaping a serial killer with a

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that sign reads in a moment but let me

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ask you are you wearing shorts you'll

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tighty whities and on this end I'll

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leave it to your imagination or your

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deepest darkest nightmares I guess but

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that I'll play some pocket hockey on

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this end remember radio is the theater

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of the mind where they said a mind is a

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terrible thing to waste so if it comes

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to wasting minds we're here to do it all

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right let's talk about your book it came

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from Ohio yeah what inspired you to get

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involved in the weird the unusual the

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paranormal well you know it

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it's interesting I was a crime reporter

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Cleveland and what I discovered was I'd

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go and report on these crimes and I'd go

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into a person's house and I have to ask

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them about this murderer or this serial

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killer or some scary person when we talk

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about that case and then it got to the

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point where I realized that people just

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somebody that did collect stories and as

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soon as they knew that I was interested

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in collecting stories even though I was

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in their life or this one weird story

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that they heard around the campfire when

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they were little and I think people just

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give reporters they kind of download all

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the weird stuff that's ever happened to

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them and so I started collecting these

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random little bits of bizarre stories

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I would research a crime and I would go

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after sources original source material

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and I wanted to collect maybe about the

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top dozen or 13 different what I

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consider the most credible weird stories

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in Ohio history and so that's kind of

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how the book came out over the course of

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about 10 years now this is not a large

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book here it's not a pretty small book

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plus the cover you can read it in a

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couple of hours sure and you know one of

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the reasons I did that is is to make it

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super cheap as an e-book I wanted to get

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an e-book out there and and give people

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so that they were familiar with my

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writing and so I think you can even get

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it as an e-book for like two bucks or

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something like that alright so there is

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no excuse for anyone in our audience we

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have a worldwide audience not to get a

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copy if it came from Ohio but let me ask

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you the most obvious question our

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listeners are wonder about have you

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personally had any unusual experiences

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you'd like to reveal I'll tell a story

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that didn't even make it into the book

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it's it's weird to share it because

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you know I I consider myself a skeptic

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and that's the way I went into

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researching some of these stories even

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though I came it came out where you know

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a handful were stories I just can't

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explain even to this day but this one

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thing happened to me and I told my wife

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about this when we got together and she

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still married me after it but I was

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about eight years old and I was living

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Ohio and I grew up on this farm and

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behind our farm we had these Indian

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burial mounds which is the perfect

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always always and we had the professor

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in fact these are Indian burial mounds

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we were both 8 at the time I believe and

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we went very old school went out to the

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woods to pick berries to make into a pie

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or his mother was gonna make it into a

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pie and so we're out there picking

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berries and of a sudden we both got this

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feeling that we were being watched and

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we kind of looked at each other and then

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this I swear to God this three-foot-tall

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thing jumped out of the bushes and and

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it was dressed in this raggedy these

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raggedy clothing and in my mind would

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appear to have been something like you

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look like a troll

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it looks like control from a kids story

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and so we screamed dropped the berries

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dropping the berries eventually the

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stepmother went out and got the variable

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and our parents got divorced shortly

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after that and I didn't see my brother

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for many many years I told my wife this

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story she's like nah she's like you're

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just remembering it wrong something you

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know that can't be it must be a dream or

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something then I got to where I was kind

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of believing her then I was reunited

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with this brother Kyle is his name and

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we happen to be both be at the same

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birthday party and this was just like a

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year or two ago so 20-some years have

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and I look at my wife and I said I'm

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gonna ask him about this I said you know

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we'll finally see if he remembers

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anything so I go up to him

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and she's with me and we're in the

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kitchen and I say Kyle there's something

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about our childhood that I really need

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to ask you about and it's gonna sound

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totally crazy you know what if we don't

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do this break it's gonna be even crazier

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because every single one of our sponsors

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will line up and they'll complain

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they're not getting their announcements

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they paid all these big bucks to get

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these announcements on the show and it's

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not being announced our guest is James

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Renner the book is it came from Ohio and

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we're going to find out if his brother

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Kyle remembered this crazy thing that

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happened when they were together and

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first game attack of the Rockets and it

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was a critically acclaimed success and

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now there is the coming of the

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protectors a former military

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intelligence man is contacted by a space

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woman in a dream a dream that turns out

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to be a nightmare because evil forces on

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our distant planet are planning to

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conquer the earth

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this is gripping science fiction of the

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classic kind attack of the rock ODEs and

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the coming of the protectors find out

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Jean Steinberg Chris O'Brien is away on

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assignment he's in Illinois so we

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decided to get a guests we couldn't find

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one in no one no of course there were

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guests in Illinois we got somebody from

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Ohio

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it's James Renner author of it came from

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Ohio and when I asked him if he

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remembered any childhood experiences

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with strange things he remembered

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something that happened with his brother

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but they were separated for many years

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they finally get together and he asks

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Kyle his brother whether or not he

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remembers the incident so yeah so so I

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asked him I say there's this something

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to ask you about our childhood it's

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gonna sound ridiculous and before I

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could get it out he stopped me and he

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said you mean the little man that jumped

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out at us when we were picking berries

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and my wife her expression just went

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totally blank and her you know we both

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went white oh my gosh this really did

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happen whatever it was whatever it was

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we saw that day a couple years after

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that happened I was still living on the

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property I was probably about 12 or 13

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and I went back out to that same area

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out by the burial mounds I came around

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to turn in the path and there was this

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thing in the middle of the path in the

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middle of the woods

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by these burial mounds that looked like

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no

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kind of dog I've ever seen it was kind

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of like a greyhound except four times as

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large and it had more fur than any

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greyhound I've ever seen and it just

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kind of regarded me and and I looked

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back at it and then I slowly backed away

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and went back went back into the house

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so there are some strange things

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happening back in those woods that I've

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never been able to explain now in that

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case was it regarding you as a potential

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dinner

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Lord invader I don't know now the little

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person you saw with your brother yeah I

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was thinking maybe it was a little

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person wearing some kind of coat or

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something you know maybe somebody left

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over from The Wizard of Oz and we know

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getting on in years and just hanging out

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so you know I don't know did a child you

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know oddly enough that's probably the

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best explanation I found out you know

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because I shared this story on reddit

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one day there was some question up about

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what's the weirdest thing that's ever

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happened to you and somebody got back

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and sent me a link to a story about this

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little person who back in the 80s which

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the time frame fits he was going around

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mostly Pennsylvania in West Virginia but

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for kicks he would go out to like Girl

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Scout camps or boy scout camps and wait

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in the woods and dress up like this

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raggedy leprechaun and when the kids

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would walk by he would leap out it and

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and tried to scare them you know he'd

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take a couple friends with him and

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they'd all laugh about it and that was

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so it's exactly what happened to us but

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why he would decide to came out in our

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woods is beyond me because it wasn't

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really a high-traffic area for kids of

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course nowadays parents wouldn't let

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their kids go anywhere we live in a

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different world nowadays oh I know I

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knew it you ride my bike on my huffy to

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speed all over the county out there you

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have kids I do I have I've two I have a

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boy that's seven years old

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a little girl that's - I'm the

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seven-year-old you wouldn't let out of

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your sight oh no no no he joined Cub

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Scouts recently and I'm you know I'm

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hovering like a you know like a hawk at

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all of his camp outs and meetings and

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things like that

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that's the way it was when my son was

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seven which is a long long time ago we

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did precisely the same thing okay so all

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told James Renner have you had any other

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unusual experiences that you might know

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I mentioned we lived not far from this

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place in Ravenna called the Arsenal it's

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a military base in Northeast Ohio that

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is not on any map but everybody that

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lives there knows has seen it knows it's

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there they just call it the Arsenal I

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don't know what the real name is for it

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but there are a lot of reports about

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lights strange lights around the area

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and on a couple occasions my father and

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I actually saw some strange lights in

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the sky this you know four or five in a

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formation that would get straight above

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you and then disappear you know or

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things in the distance and I lived

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actually where I grew up out there by

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the Arsenal is one Township over from

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this famous case where a Portage County

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deputy and his partner back in 1966

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encountered a flying saucer and chased

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it all the way into western Pennsylvania

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I want to ask you about that next let's

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go back to this military base near you

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and what you saw then we'll go into

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Portage County and by the way that an

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incident found its way in somewhat

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modified form into one of the early

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sequences of Close Encounters of the

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Third Kind and it's also learn how

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sometimes a UFO sighting is so traumatic

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as to almost ruin someone's life we'll

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get to that in a moment let's go back to

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your experiences okay yeah it was mostly

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that it was you know we'd see these

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bizarre lights in the sky and they were

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unexplained mostly over the the area of

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the Arsenal you know my eye I'd get

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scared because I'd be little and my dad

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played up on that a little bit too

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because we're not far from the Goodyear

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blimp hangar and I remember one day I'm

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I'm in the house and he comes running

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inside and says the lights are back

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they're back and right above us I think

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it's an invasion and I go running out to

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see what it is and I look up in the sky

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and there's just hovering above our

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house or these bright lights just right

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out of close encounters of the third

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kind and I thought oh my gosh this is it

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you know flying saucers have invaded us

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and and then all of a sudden the lights

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formed into the brand that is Goodyear

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and I realized that was the blimp so in

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large part what you saw was probably

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something conventional I'd say for the

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most part what we were seeing was

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probably conventional or military

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aircraft although the way some of these

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lights behaved out there were beyond any

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capability that we publicly know about

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anyway Portage County now this is the

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scene early in Close Encounters of the

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Third Kind and most of you have heard

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about the case but there's something

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which the late Paul Harvey used to call

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the rest of the story that James is

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going to tell us about the moment yeah

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but he'll first tell you about the

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sighting of course it was kind of

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exaggerated for the movie where you have

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these police officers chasing a UFO from

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one state to another tell us what really

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happened and what happened to one of the

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witnesses who by the way is Floyd let's

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go on

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so yeah the story begins in 1966 and we

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have 35 seconds left so what's started

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here and continue in the next segment go

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ahead okay so yeah begins in 1966

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there's this deputy sheriff named Dale

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spaur and he is there with his partner

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Wilbur Neff and they're patrolling the

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back roads of Portage County but they've

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got the midnight shift and it's about

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four o'clock in the morning and they're

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driving down to 24 and on the side of

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the road they see this truck and it's a

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weird truck that has these strange

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military like symbols on it a triangle

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with a lightning bolt in the center with

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words around it that says seven steps to

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hell and inside the truck carry the is

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all this electronic equipment and so

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they get out to investigate it and

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figure out where the driver is and as

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soon as they step out this saucer

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according to police reports that Spahr

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made later this

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ah sir rose up from the trees behind the

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car and hovered above the road and it

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was so bright it was like daylight

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outside the book is it came from Ohio

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will hear about Dale Spahr and his

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partner and what happened to Dale more

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[Music]

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great minds think alike the network for

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the independent-minded the genesis

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communications network G C and is there

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a secret UFO agenda to stranged

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creatures from the darkest corners of

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the mind roam the earth is there

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evidence for mind control time travel or

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deviance government conspiracies find

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James Renner joins us the book as it

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came from Ohio we're exploring all the

629
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weird cases but the one in Portage

630
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County Ohio where a couple of police

631
00:27:38,379 --> 00:27:34,639
officers they see this flying saucer

632
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that just lights up the entire area next

633
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it's like daylight and so they all

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radios into dispatch and and describes

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what they have out there and he

636
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describes it as I think we'll were

637
00:27:53,649 --> 00:27:51,019
described it as an upside down ice cream

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cone it was a saucer but it had this

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weird little part that stuck out on the

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top and seemed to be using the light as

641
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as a propellant it was kind of like

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hovering on top of the light source and

643
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the radio into dispatch and of course

644
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dispatch what does this batch tell them

645
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shoot it shoot it down and so Dale Spahr

646
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pulls his weapon and when he does this

647
00:28:20,139 --> 00:28:17,600
thing takes off down the road and it's

648
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old route 14 that it that it kind of

649
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heads down this old old route so they

650
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get in that Cruiser and they give chase

651
00:28:30,850 --> 00:28:28,399
and as they start going this this disc

652
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goes faster and faster until they're

653
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driving in speeds of excess of a hundred

654
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miles an hour it's like it was allowing

655
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them to keep up but not going too fast

656
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to make it impossible

657
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:44,200
that's what Spahr thought that's what he

658
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said later on he had a feeling that one

659
00:28:52,539 --> 00:28:49,940
it was enjoying the chase or wanted them

660
00:28:55,149 --> 00:28:52,549
to chase it so this is a really good

661
00:28:57,279 --> 00:28:55,159
story in many ways mostly because of the

662
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the witnesses the credible witnesses

663
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:00,289
that pop up around this around this

664
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piece you know because they're all

665
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police officers along the chase Spahr

666
00:29:11,230 --> 00:29:08,690
and Neff are joined by police and two

667
00:29:13,990 --> 00:29:11,240
other jurisdictions and so you've got

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three different police cruisers shooting

669
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down all the route 14 after this flying

670
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saucer it must have been a very

671
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interesting sight for people to see as

672
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they're waking up that morning and they

673
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get all the way to western Pennsylvania

674
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the

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into space never to be seen interesting

676
00:30:00,510 --> 00:29:53,200
this says the car was disabled the

677
00:30:01,950 --> 00:30:00,520
flying saucer pilots had enough yeah as

678
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to where it where it came from but

679
00:30:07,740 --> 00:30:05,140
that's that that's the the general story

680
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that I had heard growing up because you

681
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know I grew up not too far from where

682
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this happened and it was always a rumor

683
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and so it was one of the stories I've

684
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looked into and you alluded to Paul

685
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:18,400
Harvey right the the the rest of the

686
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story and eventually I did get the rest

687
00:30:25,230 --> 00:30:22,390
of the story I understand here

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00:30:29,490 --> 00:30:25,240
officially the Air Force said there was

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something conventional well actually we

690
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should we should at least the Air Force

691
00:30:39,390 --> 00:30:34,360
did but maybe dr. J Allen Hynek didn't

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mhm so after the sighting they go a spar

693
00:30:44,340 --> 00:30:42,370
and naff returned home somebody gives

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him a lift back the cruiser never works

695
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again they might have written with the

696
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tow company when they get back Project

697
00:30:54,030 --> 00:30:50,560
Blue Book arrives a couple days later

698
00:30:56,100 --> 00:30:54,040
led by Hector quintanilla and J Allen

699
00:31:00,330 --> 00:30:56,110
Hynek of course and they come into town

700
00:31:02,430 --> 00:31:00,340
and they interview spar and Neff and the

701
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:02,440
other officers involved in the chase and

702
00:31:08,940 --> 00:31:06,970
actually hit quintanilla speaks and

703
00:31:12,030 --> 00:31:08,950
newspapers and says that what they were

704
00:31:15,210 --> 00:31:12,040
chasing was the planet Venus this is

705
00:31:16,860 --> 00:31:15,220
what spar saw rising from the trees and

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lighting up the ground like it was

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daytime and and chasing all the way into

708
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Western PA so you see Venus was

709
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moonlighting it didn't like being a

710
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planet all the time and having a hot

711
00:31:31,290 --> 00:31:29,680
surface so decided to moonlight go ahead

712
00:31:35,130 --> 00:31:31,300
yeah right

713
00:31:37,050 --> 00:31:35,140
so spar was so angry at that and of

714
00:31:39,540 --> 00:31:37,060
course the papers picked up on that and

715
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:39,550
they they just had had their fun with it

716
00:31:43,570 --> 00:31:40,210
they

717
00:31:45,460 --> 00:31:43,580
Sparra look like this kind of bumbling

718
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:45,470
idiot the chaste Venus all the way into

719
00:31:51,370 --> 00:31:49,130
PA and really gave him a hard time he

720
00:31:54,130 --> 00:31:51,380
ended up the last anybody had inter had

721
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:54,140
heard from Dale spar before I reported

722
00:31:59,260 --> 00:31:56,530
on it and started researching the case

723
00:32:02,080 --> 00:31:59,270
was about six months after the UFO

724
00:32:04,930 --> 00:32:02,090
incident a reporter found him living out

725
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:04,940
of a hotel eating peanut butter and

726
00:32:10,180 --> 00:32:07,970
jelly sandwiches on like making like $50

727
00:32:12,700 --> 00:32:10,190
a week he had lost his job as deputy

728
00:32:15,250 --> 00:32:12,710
sheriff he lost his family had gotten a

729
00:32:17,169 --> 00:32:15,260
divorce and it was all traced back to

730
00:32:19,810 --> 00:32:17,179
this story and that night with the UFO

731
00:32:23,230 --> 00:32:19,820
and it completely completely destroyed

732
00:32:26,260 --> 00:32:23,240
his life I know I understand something

733
00:32:28,990 --> 00:32:26,270
before I got ahold of you I was doing

734
00:32:31,780 --> 00:32:29,000
some research on this story oh okay

735
00:32:34,060 --> 00:32:31,790
and it was was helping out James Fox and

736
00:32:36,909 --> 00:32:34,070
Tracy Torme where they have a motion

737
00:32:39,669 --> 00:32:36,919
picture called 7:01 the movie and I did

738
00:32:41,500 --> 00:32:39,679
some research for them and they wired to

739
00:32:43,060 --> 00:32:41,510
decide whether to include this case for

740
00:32:47,190 --> 00:32:43,070
now so I did some research and

741
00:32:50,590 --> 00:32:47,200
everything that you check online ends at

742
00:32:52,810 --> 00:32:50,600
the fact that Dale Spahr was found six

743
00:32:55,659 --> 00:32:52,820
months after the incident living in a

744
00:32:58,870 --> 00:32:55,669
cheap hotel and having given up his

745
00:33:00,850 --> 00:32:58,880
entire former life but you amongst

746
00:33:02,380 --> 00:33:00,860
everybody decided to find out what

747
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:02,390
happened next because that's back in

748
00:33:08,789 --> 00:33:04,490
1966 and you're working on the book in

749
00:33:11,470 --> 00:33:08,799
the 2000s so what happened to Dale Spahr

750
00:33:13,510 --> 00:33:11,480
what we did was we published the

751
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:13,520
original story about this incident in

752
00:33:19,810 --> 00:33:16,490
scene magazine and shortly after was

753
00:33:23,110 --> 00:33:19,820
published I got an email from Dale spars

754
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:23,120
son his name he goes by James Evans now

755
00:33:27,190 --> 00:33:25,010
because he was adopted by his stepfather

756
00:33:30,130 --> 00:33:27,200
after his parents got a divorce

757
00:33:33,190 --> 00:33:30,140
but he looks exactly like his his father

758
00:33:36,610 --> 00:33:33,200
Dale Spahr was a abnormally large man

759
00:33:39,549 --> 00:33:36,620
just all-around big I think he was like

760
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:39,559
6 7 it's hard to come across in pictures

761
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:42,410
but just a giant and his sons the same

762
00:33:48,460 --> 00:33:46,010
way sons just a big guy he was in the

763
00:33:50,860 --> 00:33:48,470
Marines and not the type of guy you'd

764
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:50,870
want to mess with and we met up at a

765
00:33:55,310 --> 00:33:53,010
place called Mike's place in Kent

766
00:33:57,170 --> 00:33:55,320
which was a very appropriate place to

767
00:34:00,080 --> 00:33:57,180
meet because anybody from that area

768
00:34:02,990 --> 00:34:00,090
knows Mike's places the seedy restaurant

769
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:03,000
with the giant x-wing fighter parked out

770
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:03,450
front

771
00:34:10,129 --> 00:34:05,690
that the owners made out of old

772
00:34:11,899 --> 00:34:10,139
fabricated steel so we met inside and he

773
00:34:13,730 --> 00:34:11,909
told me the the rest of the story about

774
00:34:16,190 --> 00:34:13,740
what happened his father and it's just

775
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:16,200
as interesting according to his son and

776
00:34:20,510 --> 00:34:18,330
and I've checked this out enough to

777
00:34:23,510 --> 00:34:20,520
verify that Spahr was where he said he

778
00:34:26,810 --> 00:34:23,520
was this whole time according to his son

779
00:34:28,250 --> 00:34:26,820
after the he was in that hotel living on

780
00:34:31,159 --> 00:34:28,260
peanut butter and jelly sandwiches he

781
00:34:33,860 --> 00:34:31,169
decided to move back to Western West

782
00:34:37,100 --> 00:34:33,870
Virginia where his family was from and

783
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:37,110
he got a job in a mine out there an old

784
00:34:46,580 --> 00:34:42,570
coal mine and one day he was in the lift

785
00:34:52,550 --> 00:34:46,590
and it malfunctioned he fell down this

786
00:34:54,669 --> 00:34:52,560
shaft and broke his back and several

787
00:34:59,870 --> 00:34:54,679
other bones and ended up in this coma

788
00:35:01,550 --> 00:34:59,880
for about a month and James remembers

789
00:35:04,460 --> 00:35:01,560
going to the hospital to visit his dad

790
00:35:06,470 --> 00:35:04,470
when I was still in a coma and in this

791
00:35:08,090 --> 00:35:06,480
hospital and he was in the waiting room

792
00:35:09,590 --> 00:35:08,100
or right out I'm sorry in the hallway

793
00:35:13,610 --> 00:35:09,600
right outside his room with his mother

794
00:35:16,100 --> 00:35:13,620
and it was time for the daily cleaning

795
00:35:17,630 --> 00:35:16,110
and sponge bath and the nurse goes in to

796
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:17,640
take care of his father who mind you is

797
00:35:20,270 --> 00:35:18,450
still in a coma

798
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:20,280
all of a sudden and has not had a chance

799
00:35:23,630 --> 00:35:22,170
to talk to any of the doctors or nurses

800
00:35:25,370 --> 00:35:23,640
they don't know anything about the story

801
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:25,380
in Ohio all of a sudden the nurse

802
00:35:30,170 --> 00:35:28,170
screams and goes running out of the room

803
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:30,180
and they when they finally calm her down

804
00:35:35,300 --> 00:35:31,770
that they they asked her what's wrong

805
00:35:38,810 --> 00:35:35,310
and all she would say was that is not a

806
00:35:40,610 --> 00:35:38,820
human there's either that man is not

807
00:35:44,750 --> 00:35:40,620
human there's something inside of him

808
00:35:45,380 --> 00:35:44,760
and so that's always kind of giving me

809
00:35:49,490 --> 00:35:45,390
the creeps

810
00:35:52,460 --> 00:35:49,500
and so far eventually woke up a couple

811
00:35:55,670 --> 00:35:52,470
weeks later and recuperated he moved to

812
00:35:59,000 --> 00:35:55,680
Lakewood and bought a bar called

813
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the Avenue I believe a very popular bar

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on Detroit Street in Lakewood Ohio which

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is by Cleveland and that's what he did

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for the rest of his life he bar tended

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in this bar with his new wife up in

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Rocky River and he did that for about 20

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years and so he eventually died of

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other thing that James told me was that

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he remembers being at his funeral his

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father's funeral in 1982 I believe I was

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and this tribe of Native Americans

826
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showed up at the funeral all right

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that's a good cliffhanger why did the

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tribe of Native Americans show up at

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937
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probably won't hear anywhere else hear

938
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939
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cast I'm gene Steinberg Chris O'Brien's

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on special assignment we're having a

941
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little fun this week we're talking to

942
00:41:26,180 --> 00:41:23,600
James Renner offer if it came from Ohio

943
00:41:28,940 --> 00:41:26,190
he's talking about The Strange Case of

944
00:41:31,670 --> 00:41:28,950
Dale Spahr who was really traumatized

945
00:41:34,070 --> 00:41:31,680
after he saw a UFO now

946
00:41:37,010 --> 00:41:34,080
James how old was sparked when he died

947
00:41:39,860 --> 00:41:37,020
couldn't been very old no I think in his

948
00:41:41,030 --> 00:41:39,870
60s I think early 60s he wasn't at all

949
00:41:44,750 --> 00:41:41,040
okay

950
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:44,760
the question I have here is how did the

951
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:49,050
flying saucer get named Floyd yeah yes

952
00:41:53,750 --> 00:41:51,330
so he always referred to this this

953
00:41:56,240 --> 00:41:53,760
flying saucer is Floyd anybody asked him

954
00:41:58,160 --> 00:41:56,250
about it any he would say they'd ask him

955
00:42:00,740 --> 00:41:58,170
hey Dale have you seen Floyd this week

956
00:42:03,500 --> 00:42:00,750
because another thing that's borrowed

957
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:03,510
had told his family and his and his

958
00:42:08,270 --> 00:42:06,090
partners and his friends was that after

959
00:42:10,670 --> 00:42:08,280
the chase into western Pennsylvania he'd

960
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:10,680
go outside at night behind his house and

961
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:12,690
he said this thing would be hovering you

962
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:14,850
know above his house in the sky and and

963
00:42:20,900 --> 00:42:17,610
whatever was was visiting him over and

964
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:20,910
over again and he decided to start

965
00:42:26,570 --> 00:42:23,450
calling the the flying saucer Floyd

966
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:26,580
which is very interesting because Floyd

967
00:42:32,870 --> 00:42:29,610
is Dale spars middle name so there's a

968
00:42:34,670 --> 00:42:32,880
an odd choice nod choice for him all

969
00:42:36,890 --> 00:42:34,680
right so he kept seeing this object over

970
00:42:38,570 --> 00:42:36,900
and over again oh yeah that's what he

971
00:42:40,730 --> 00:42:38,580
he'd mentioned a friends-and-family

972
00:42:42,890 --> 00:42:40,740
although nobody else has come forward

973
00:42:44,570 --> 00:42:42,900
saying that they were with him when he

974
00:42:47,300 --> 00:42:44,580
when he had these these further

975
00:42:50,540 --> 00:42:47,310
sightings I eventually tracked down

976
00:42:52,370 --> 00:42:50,550
Wilbur Neff Dale's partner who was with

977
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:52,380
him that night of the chase and Neff

978
00:42:58,220 --> 00:42:55,530
lives in Florida now there did a few

979
00:43:00,320 --> 00:42:58,230
years ago when we spoke and he

980
00:43:03,710 --> 00:43:00,330
corroborates everything that from their

981
00:43:06,770 --> 00:43:03,720
reports and is adamant that what they

982
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:06,780
saw that night was extraterrestrial and

983
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:09,570
but doesn't like talking about it his

984
00:43:16,220 --> 00:43:13,290
quote was that you

985
00:43:17,720 --> 00:43:16,230
before he saw the UFO he'd always look

986
00:43:19,490 --> 00:43:17,730
up into the skies because he was

987
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:19,500
fascinated by planes and all that he

988
00:43:23,990 --> 00:43:21,930
said ever since then he just keeps his

989
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:24,000
eyes on the ground because it's brought

990
00:43:29,540 --> 00:43:26,850
nothing but heartache I understand that

991
00:43:31,700 --> 00:43:29,550
I understand that Wow

992
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:31,710
now you said when we first started

993
00:43:36,740 --> 00:43:33,570
talking about this case that you had

994
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:36,750
some ideas as to what they saw yeah oh

995
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:38,850
we had mentioned the Native Americans

996
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:40,530
there's really not much more to that

997
00:43:43,220 --> 00:43:41,010
story

998
00:43:45,530 --> 00:43:43,230
although the family nobody had invited

999
00:43:48,140 --> 00:43:45,540
this Native American tribe that showed

1000
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:48,150
up at Theo Suarez funeral they just

1001
00:43:52,430 --> 00:43:50,490
showed up on their own and and you know

1002
00:43:55,130 --> 00:43:52,440
as soon as he was buried they they kind

1003
00:43:56,810 --> 00:43:55,140
of quietly went away so nobody to this

1004
00:44:00,440 --> 00:43:56,820
thing nobody really knows about you know

1005
00:44:02,090 --> 00:44:00,450
what that what that was all about but I

1006
00:44:05,810 --> 00:44:02,100
have some theories about what it could

1007
00:44:08,240 --> 00:44:05,820
be you what I found interesting was a

1008
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:08,250
connection that nobody else had made

1009
00:44:15,950 --> 00:44:12,090
before which was if you keep going down

1010
00:44:18,470 --> 00:44:15,960
old route 14 in the direction that this

1011
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:18,480
flying saucer was traveling you will

1012
00:44:23,420 --> 00:44:21,570
come to the town of Kecksburg it goes

1013
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:23,430
right into Kecksburg and of course

1014
00:44:30,890 --> 00:44:25,530
anybody that's familiar with UFO lore

1015
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:30,900
knows Kecksburg as the site of a crash a

1016
00:44:39,410 --> 00:44:33,450
supposed flying saucer crash that

1017
00:44:44,030 --> 00:44:39,420
occurred in what was it 1965

1018
00:44:46,070 --> 00:44:44,040
December 1965 so I've always wondered if

1019
00:44:48,500 --> 00:44:46,080
what they saw that night wasn't a

1020
00:44:51,260 --> 00:44:48,510
reconnaissance ship searching for this

1021
00:44:54,700 --> 00:44:51,270
down saucer and Kecksburg was a

1022
00:44:57,380 --> 00:44:54,710
Kecksburg incident occurred December 9th

1023
00:44:59,780 --> 00:44:57,390
1965 and we've had several shows about

1024
00:45:02,420 --> 00:44:59,790
it over the years ok so you think this

1025
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:02,430
was really a conventional aircraft but

1026
00:45:08,230 --> 00:45:06,090
then if they're outside and the craft is

1027
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:08,240
that close wouldn't they hear a noise

1028
00:45:13,450 --> 00:45:11,490
you would think well you know here's

1029
00:45:15,830 --> 00:45:13,460
here's the theory that I've come up with

1030
00:45:18,530 --> 00:45:15,840
you know because we've got the Arsenal

1031
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:18,540
out there which wasn't far from where

1032
00:45:23,780 --> 00:45:22,410
Spahr started chasing this UFO and you

1033
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:23,790
you have to remember the fact of how

1034
00:45:27,050 --> 00:45:26,370
this all all this started which is they

1035
00:45:29,150 --> 00:45:27,060
were investing

1036
00:45:31,670 --> 00:45:29,160
getting this abandoned vehicle and it

1037
00:45:34,220 --> 00:45:31,680
wasn't just any abandoned vehicle it was

1038
00:45:36,470 --> 00:45:34,230
a bit an abandoned vehicle that was

1039
00:45:40,460 --> 00:45:36,480
filled with strange electronic equipment

1040
00:45:42,260 --> 00:45:40,470
that seemed military that was parked

1041
00:45:43,940 --> 00:45:42,270
right behind where this flying saucer

1042
00:45:47,030 --> 00:45:43,950
supposed we came out of the ground I

1043
00:45:49,970 --> 00:45:47,040
think or up from the trees I think it

1044
00:45:52,820 --> 00:45:49,980
was some sort of military craft and that

1045
00:45:54,830 --> 00:45:52,830
vehicle was there to fix it

1046
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:54,840
you know perhaps you know the

1047
00:45:59,660 --> 00:45:56,610
extra-terrestrial connection that you

1048
00:46:01,330 --> 00:45:59,670
could make and I'm open to the idea that

1049
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:01,340
there are extraterrestrials certainly

1050
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:05,130
you know the connection you can make is

1051
00:46:09,260 --> 00:46:08,010
that whatever it was you know perhaps it

1052
00:46:11,690 --> 00:46:09,270
was whatever they recovered from

1053
00:46:13,130 --> 00:46:11,700
Kecksburg the Arsenal is one of the

1054
00:46:16,100 --> 00:46:13,140
closest places they could have shipped

1055
00:46:18,620 --> 00:46:16,110
it maybe they decided to give it a test

1056
00:46:21,170 --> 00:46:18,630
flight let's see if we can get this baby

1057
00:46:24,830 --> 00:46:21,180
up in the air and it came down in the

1058
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:24,840
woods they sent a guy to fix it and when

1059
00:46:28,820 --> 00:46:27,330
it came up oh my gosh there's cops here

1060
00:46:30,890 --> 00:46:28,830
we got to get out of here we can't let

1061
00:46:35,180 --> 00:46:30,900
them see us drive it back into the

1062
00:46:36,710 --> 00:46:35,190
Arsenal so perhaps that's what happened

1063
00:46:38,900 --> 00:46:36,720
that's the best explanation I can come

1064
00:46:40,910 --> 00:46:38,910
up with well it's a conventional

1065
00:46:43,730 --> 00:46:40,920
explanation whether it fits the facts I

1066
00:46:45,260 --> 00:46:43,740
don't know but certainly the thing here

1067
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:45,270
is though if it was a conventional

1068
00:46:50,060 --> 00:46:48,090
aircraft you think a middle-aged police

1069
00:46:51,770 --> 00:46:50,070
officer would be smart enough to know

1070
00:46:55,190 --> 00:46:51,780
that and not get completely freaked out

1071
00:46:56,690 --> 00:46:55,200
over it it depends on what your

1072
00:46:58,370 --> 00:46:56,700
definition of conventional is I

1073
00:47:00,980 --> 00:46:58,380
certainly don't think it was a plane I

1074
00:47:02,870 --> 00:47:00,990
think it was either you know something

1075
00:47:04,670 --> 00:47:02,880
that was recovered from Kecksburg I

1076
00:47:07,460 --> 00:47:04,680
guess what I'm trying to say is I think

1077
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:07,470
it was being flown by humans you know

1078
00:47:11,690 --> 00:47:09,450
was it a recovered extraterrestrial

1079
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:11,700
craft or was it a something that the

1080
00:47:16,190 --> 00:47:14,010
military was designing in secret I think

1081
00:47:18,290 --> 00:47:16,200
it could have been either one of those

1082
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:18,300
so I guess conventionals the wrong word

1083
00:47:23,330 --> 00:47:21,690
you know it certainly wasn't you know an

1084
00:47:26,060 --> 00:47:23,340
airplane or anything like that but I do

1085
00:47:28,970 --> 00:47:26,070
believe it was piloted by human

1086
00:47:31,820 --> 00:47:28,980
intelligence now have you done any

1087
00:47:33,310 --> 00:47:31,830
further studies into UFO cases certainly

1088
00:47:35,870 --> 00:47:33,320
this is one of the more notable ones

1089
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:35,880
particularly in the way the dáil sparse

1090
00:47:40,530 --> 00:47:38,770
life was so screwed up and

1091
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:40,540
have you found any other cases worth

1092
00:47:46,260 --> 00:47:43,690
mentioning related to UFOs I like this

1093
00:47:48,210 --> 00:47:46,270
key said that there's another case in

1094
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:48,220
here I talked about and it came from

1095
00:47:54,810 --> 00:47:51,610
Ohio this case out of Mansfield and

1096
00:47:57,720 --> 00:47:54,820
again it has military connections and

1097
00:48:00,180 --> 00:47:57,730
it's and it's good from a reporting

1098
00:48:04,620 --> 00:48:00,190
standpoint because of the sources it

1099
00:48:06,570 --> 00:48:04,630
involves four men traveling in a

1100
00:48:08,070 --> 00:48:06,580
helicopter over Mansfield who

1101
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:08,080
encountered what they claimed to this

1102
00:48:14,430 --> 00:48:11,410
day was a flying saucer and that they

1103
00:48:16,170 --> 00:48:14,440
were captured in its tractor beam and it

1104
00:48:18,290 --> 00:48:16,180
was a green tractor beam of some sort it

1105
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:18,300
all happened over the skies of Mansfield

1106
00:48:27,620 --> 00:48:24,370
and I believe it was back in 1972 and I

1107
00:48:31,980 --> 00:48:27,630
like the story for a couple reasons

1108
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:31,990
you know each of these they were each of

1109
00:48:36,450 --> 00:48:33,850
these witnesses inside the helicopter

1110
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:36,460
were very intelligent people some were

1111
00:48:41,100 --> 00:48:38,770
scientists they all went on to do great

1112
00:48:44,550 --> 00:48:41,110
things with their life at the time they

1113
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:44,560
were in the Air Force Reserves I believe

1114
00:48:50,790 --> 00:48:48,970
and they had just what nobody had

1115
00:48:52,620 --> 00:48:50,800
reported on you know everybody reported

1116
00:48:55,020 --> 00:48:52,630
on this sighting and this encounter with

1117
00:48:57,150 --> 00:48:55,030
the UFO over Mansfield what got lost in

1118
00:48:59,430 --> 00:48:57,160
the reporting was the fact of what they

1119
00:49:04,710 --> 00:48:59,440
were doing up in the sky to begin with

1120
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:04,720
they were coming back from a evaluation

1121
00:49:10,950 --> 00:49:08,770
at wright-patt Air Force Base and they

1122
00:49:12,570 --> 00:49:10,960
were flying back to Cleveland on this in

1123
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:12,580
this helicopter and they had gone out

1124
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:15,330
there to do a series of psychological

1125
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:19,090
tests which is interesting for many

1126
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:22,810
reasons wright-patterson as anybody you

1127
00:49:31,260 --> 00:49:27,610
know into this lore knows is supposedly

1128
00:49:33,930 --> 00:49:31,270
where they took the crashed disc that

1129
00:49:36,510 --> 00:49:33,940
crashed into Roswell New Mexico back in

1130
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:36,520
1947 and supposedly ended up in hangar

1131
00:49:44,220 --> 00:49:41,050
18 not at wright-patt and bright pets

1132
00:49:47,210 --> 00:49:44,230
also known as one of the places where

1133
00:49:49,830 --> 00:49:47,220
the military was developing very odd

1134
00:49:52,190 --> 00:49:49,840
psychological and chemical weapons

1135
00:49:54,870 --> 00:49:52,200
during the Cold War

1136
00:49:56,690 --> 00:49:54,880
so you've got these four men that had

1137
00:50:00,480 --> 00:49:56,700
just had a psychologically bow

1138
00:50:03,329 --> 00:50:00,490
right pat and they they happen to

1139
00:50:06,059 --> 00:50:03,339
encounter a UFO over Mansfield I'm

1140
00:50:07,770 --> 00:50:06,069
wondering if this wasn't some

1141
00:50:10,349 --> 00:50:07,780
psychological experiment done by the

1142
00:50:15,150 --> 00:50:10,359
military perhaps they were given some

1143
00:50:18,210 --> 00:50:15,160
sort of psychotropic drug and you know

1144
00:50:19,589 --> 00:50:18,220
either were the military sent an

1145
00:50:21,660 --> 00:50:19,599
aircraft to intercept them over

1146
00:50:23,490 --> 00:50:21,670
Mansfield to see how they would react or

1147
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:23,500
maybe that was just mass hallucination

1148
00:50:30,690 --> 00:50:26,770
you know that that fun notion of folly I

1149
00:50:33,240 --> 00:50:30,700
do and it just overtook them you know I

1150
00:50:35,010 --> 00:50:33,250
think there's it's more than just

1151
00:50:36,660 --> 00:50:35,020
coincidence that they were returning

1152
00:50:39,329 --> 00:50:36,670
from wright-patt when they encountered

1153
00:50:43,559 --> 00:50:39,339
this thing you know would be interesting

1154
00:50:46,890 --> 00:50:43,569
here to trace other sightings and find

1155
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:46,900
officers in the military who word

1156
00:50:51,630 --> 00:50:48,970
wright-patterson may have undergone this

1157
00:50:53,099 --> 00:50:51,640
you wonder how many sightings might have

1158
00:50:55,230 --> 00:50:53,109
been the result of psychological

1159
00:50:57,569 --> 00:50:55,240
experiments and you got to be lucky that

1160
00:50:59,760 --> 00:50:57,579
people didn't die as a result oh yeah

1161
00:51:01,530 --> 00:50:59,770
you know maybe there's some instances

1162
00:51:02,849 --> 00:51:01,540
you know you mentioned that the guy

1163
00:51:05,010 --> 00:51:02,859
that's writing that book about fatal

1164
00:51:07,319 --> 00:51:05,020
encounters with UFOs I know there have

1165
00:51:10,410 --> 00:51:07,329
been a few pilots in the military that

1166
00:51:12,510 --> 00:51:10,420
is supposedly encountered UFOs that that

1167
00:51:14,819 --> 00:51:12,520
crashed you know that people have died

1168
00:51:17,339 --> 00:51:14,829
of course there's the Mantell incident

1169
00:51:19,740 --> 00:51:17,349
but we don't know whether he underwent

1170
00:51:21,839 --> 00:51:19,750
any treatment at wright-patterson in any

1171
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:21,849
case we've got James Renner don't know

1172
00:51:24,870 --> 00:51:23,410
what kind of treatment he's had and some

1173
00:51:26,700 --> 00:51:24,880
people wonder what kind of treatment

1174
00:51:32,460 --> 00:51:26,710
I've had but that's another story

1175
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1201
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to talk to the presence of mind to put

1234
00:55:58,660 --> 00:55:56,420
them in a role and hide them in his

1235
00:56:01,000 --> 00:55:58,670
freezer

1236
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:01,010
but when actor Quin Nia and the people

1237
00:56:03,730 --> 00:56:03,050
from Project Blue Book came into town to

1238
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:03,740
ask him

1239
00:56:10,450 --> 00:56:06,890
this chase he ended up admitting to

1240
00:56:13,030 --> 00:56:10,460
taking these photographs and handed them

1241
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:13,040
over Blue Book took them away and to

1242
00:56:18,250 --> 00:56:15,650
this day nobody has seen that film even

1243
00:56:20,290 --> 00:56:18,260
through public records requests they

1244
00:56:23,020 --> 00:56:20,300
have not turned up so somewhere in some

1245
00:56:25,180 --> 00:56:23,030
archives our Dale sparse photographs of

1246
00:56:29,109 --> 00:56:25,190
that saucer from that chase it's all

1247
00:56:31,390 --> 00:56:29,119
being kept in warehouse 13 you know you

1248
00:56:34,270 --> 00:56:31,400
kind of go back to the scene in the

1249
00:56:36,940 --> 00:56:34,280
first Raiders of the Lost Ark the first

1250
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:36,950
Indiana Jones movie the Ark of the

1251
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:39,530
Covenant it's brought to the government

1252
00:56:45,940 --> 00:56:44,090
and as Indiana Jones's girlfriend leave

1253
00:56:48,100 --> 00:56:45,950
this building they're assured everything

1254
00:56:49,540 --> 00:56:48,110
is in good care then you have this scene

1255
00:56:51,790 --> 00:56:49,550
where somebody sticking it into a

1256
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:51,800
warehouse yeah never to be seen again

1257
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:53,810
you wonder if there's a warehouse

1258
00:56:59,109 --> 00:56:56,330
somewhere or warehouses where lots of

1259
00:57:01,450 --> 00:56:59,119
strange things are being kept and nobody

1260
00:57:03,430 --> 00:57:01,460
wants to admit they have any relevance

1261
00:57:05,950 --> 00:57:03,440
or they can't figure it out so it's out

1262
00:57:08,230 --> 00:57:05,960
of sight out of mind and after

1263
00:57:10,510 --> 00:57:08,240
generations of changes in bureaucrats

1264
00:57:13,810 --> 00:57:10,520
and military leadership who remembers

1265
00:57:15,820 --> 00:57:13,820
anymore oh sure sure yeah I guarantee it

1266
00:57:18,700 --> 00:57:15,830
you know there's some secrets out there

1267
00:57:21,790 --> 00:57:18,710
that are just sitting in a box in some

1268
00:57:24,220 --> 00:57:21,800
old government building that hopefully

1269
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:24,230
people you know when the demolition

1270
00:57:28,330 --> 00:57:26,690
crews come in to wipe it down you know

1271
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:28,340
we'll at least open the boxes and I

1272
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:29,930
think me you know maybe we'll find some

1273
00:57:33,340 --> 00:57:32,330
of these wonderful secrets at that point

1274
00:57:35,290 --> 00:57:33,350
but I know I thought that was the

1275
00:57:36,670 --> 00:57:35,300
perfect ending to Raiders because that's

1276
00:57:38,700 --> 00:57:36,680
exactly how it would happen you know

1277
00:57:41,710 --> 00:57:38,710
it's in the end the government is just

1278
00:57:42,730 --> 00:57:41,720
bureaucracy you know they they don't

1279
00:57:44,590 --> 00:57:42,740
know what to do with these things

1280
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:44,600
they'll just put them in a box and stick

1281
00:57:48,700 --> 00:57:46,970
them in the corner somewhere listen they

1282
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:48,710
can't find a hundred thousand vets who

1283
00:57:54,670 --> 00:57:52,010
just one medical treatment this is true

1284
00:57:56,740 --> 00:57:54,680
it's very sad yeah but no that's exactly

1285
00:58:01,380 --> 00:57:56,750
right you know well we'll pay for these

1286
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:01,390
you know huge needless Wars but you know

1287
00:58:06,700 --> 00:58:05,210
try getting the money for helping these

1288
00:58:08,650 --> 00:58:06,710
vets when they return home it's it's

1289
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:08,660
it's very sad my mother who works at the

1290
00:58:14,500 --> 00:58:11,090
works of the VA and I know a lot of

1291
00:58:17,260 --> 00:58:14,510
people involved in in that it's it's

1292
00:58:19,510 --> 00:58:17,270
crazy it's crazy we live in crazy times

1293
00:58:21,010 --> 00:58:19,520
very unfortunately crazy let me get back

1294
00:58:25,690 --> 00:58:21,020
to the questions here because a few

1295
00:58:27,790 --> 00:58:25,700
relate to the UFO think Joey k22 who has

1296
00:58:32,830 --> 00:58:27,800
been a member of our forum since 2009

1297
00:58:35,500 --> 00:58:32,840
but has only posted 24 messages out of

1298
00:58:37,420 --> 00:58:35,510
nearly 5 years in our forums and you are

1299
00:58:40,810 --> 00:58:37,430
lucky enough to get three of them come

1300
00:58:43,900 --> 00:58:40,820
on Joey okay Joey k22

1301
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:43,910
number one do you have any cases of men

1302
00:58:48,430 --> 00:58:46,970
in black type encounters in Ohio over

1303
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:48,440
the years of course you know about the

1304
00:58:52,570 --> 00:58:50,330
men in black not the ones played by

1305
00:58:57,670 --> 00:58:52,580
Tommy Lee Jones and Will Smith but the

1306
00:59:00,700 --> 00:58:57,680
ones who influenced them yeah sure you

1307
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:00,710
know well just outside of Ohio the only

1308
00:59:06,100 --> 00:59:02,810
one I've come across that it seemed that

1309
00:59:11,170 --> 00:59:06,110
that was really going on was the the

1310
00:59:12,850 --> 00:59:11,180
Mothman encounter which is included in

1311
00:59:14,230 --> 00:59:12,860
it came from Ohio because I actually

1312
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:14,240
found evidence that the Mothman

1313
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:18,050
sightings began in West Salem Ohio the

1314
00:59:24,820 --> 00:59:20,450
night before if Mothman was seen in

1315
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:24,830
Point Pleasant West Virginia and I

1316
00:59:31,510 --> 00:59:26,810
traveled down the Point Pleasant and

1317
00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:31,520
spoke to the guy that runs the museum

1318
00:59:36,990 --> 00:59:34,850
the Mothman museum and he says even to

1319
00:59:39,730 --> 00:59:37,000
this day they'll show up sometimes and

1320
00:59:42,810 --> 00:59:39,740
there's a young woman who was running

1321
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:42,820
the museum one night and claims that two

1322
00:59:49,300 --> 00:59:46,730
paleface men in black came into the

1323
00:59:52,330 --> 00:59:49,310
store and asked her very bizarre

1324
00:59:54,910 --> 00:59:52,340
questions and then left and got into

1325
00:59:56,950 --> 00:59:54,920
this weird shiny car and and drove off

1326
00:59:58,990 --> 00:59:56,960
they didn't have this little stick that

1327
01:00:01,840 --> 00:59:59,000
the white glows and they lose their

1328
01:00:04,420 --> 01:00:01,850
memories hey you know let me just

1329
01:00:06,490 --> 01:00:04,430
mention something here before we go on

1330
01:00:09,510 --> 01:00:06,500
with any discussions of Mothman did you

1331
01:00:10,770 --> 01:00:09,520
read John keels book Mothman Prophecies

1332
01:00:14,410 --> 01:00:10,780
[Music]

1333
01:00:16,599 --> 01:00:14,420
I read excerpts and I've looked into it

1334
01:00:18,190 --> 01:00:16,609
a little bit but he said he's a

1335
01:00:21,190 --> 01:00:18,200
fascinating character

1336
01:00:23,260 --> 01:00:21,200
he sure was I knew him and on the final

1337
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:23,270
years of his life actually tried to get

1338
01:00:28,870 --> 01:00:25,490
him on the power cast and this was maybe

1339
01:00:30,490 --> 01:00:28,880
the last year or two of his life and if

1340
01:00:32,470 --> 01:00:30,500
you thought he was crusty

1341
01:00:35,350 --> 01:00:32,480
when he was younger he was extremely

1342
01:00:37,090 --> 01:00:35,360
crusty as an old man and we made the

1343
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:37,100
effort as a matter of fact I had a

1344
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:39,770
former co-host of the show leave a

1345
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:41,810
message on his answering machine we got

1346
01:00:48,490 --> 01:00:46,370
his phone number from one of our acting

1347
01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:48,500
producers Tim Beck Lee who comes on

1348
01:00:54,010 --> 01:00:51,050
occasionally give us some ideas for

1349
01:00:55,930 --> 01:00:54,020
guests and beckley gets this nasty call

1350
01:00:59,800 --> 01:00:55,940
from Kiel the next day why did you give

1351
01:01:01,930 --> 01:00:59,810
out the phone number okay now let me

1352
01:01:04,780 --> 01:01:01,940
just tell you that when I mentioned that

1353
01:01:07,750 --> 01:01:04,790
fellow who studies cryptozoology and

1354
01:01:12,420 --> 01:01:07,760
also serial killers Loren Coleman he has

1355
01:01:14,790 --> 01:01:12,430
the theory that Shirin of all the extra

1356
01:01:18,190 --> 01:01:14,800
aspects and exaggerations of Mothman

1357
01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:18,200
most of them were owls that's history I

1358
01:01:25,060 --> 01:01:21,970
would I would say he's probably right I

1359
01:01:27,220 --> 01:01:25,070
that's kind of where I came up at the

1360
01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:27,230
end of my reporting too but I think it

1361
01:01:34,690 --> 01:01:30,650
was I think it's just as interesting an

1362
01:01:36,670 --> 01:01:34,700
explanation as anything else because if

1363
01:01:39,610 --> 01:01:36,680
it was an al which I think it probably

1364
01:01:42,610 --> 01:01:39,620
was he was either of a species that is

1365
01:01:46,780 --> 01:01:42,620
no longer around or it was a genetic

1366
01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:46,790
mutation that allowed it to be you know

1367
01:01:52,300 --> 01:01:49,370
three times the size of what it should

1368
01:01:54,460 --> 01:01:52,310
have been if it was an Al it was a an Al

1369
01:01:58,240 --> 01:01:54,470
that was bigger than any al that we've

1370
01:01:59,710 --> 01:01:58,250
ever had in captivity of course we would

1371
01:02:02,590 --> 01:01:59,720
go back to the pale-faced

1372
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:02,600
men in black or whatever yeah what are

1373
01:02:05,890 --> 01:02:04,010
they doing around if it's just an owl

1374
01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:05,900
right that doesn't make sense to me

1375
01:02:10,330 --> 01:02:08,450
unless it was a genetic experiment maybe

1376
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:10,340
the people over at wright-patterson

1377
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:12,650
weren't taking owls and saying let's

1378
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:15,290
make them larger your screw around with

1379
01:02:25,390 --> 01:02:16,730
their genes and see if we can grow

1380
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:25,400
larger owls you know it's I love that

1381
01:02:30,850 --> 01:02:28,010
case because it's so weird you know it's

1382
01:02:33,340 --> 01:02:30,860
it's not the typical UFO sighting or

1383
01:02:35,290 --> 01:02:33,350
Bigfoot it's something different you

1384
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:35,300
know there's that and you know the

1385
01:02:40,870 --> 01:02:38,330
Loveland frog which is in the same vein

1386
01:02:43,030 --> 01:02:40,880
of weirdness - we'll get to the Loveland

1387
01:02:43,930 --> 01:02:43,040
frog in a moment probably in our next

1388
01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:43,940
segment because I

1389
01:02:48,430 --> 01:02:46,130
that segues well into it but getting

1390
01:02:50,620 --> 01:02:48,440
back to Mothman the reason there's any

1391
01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:50,630
mysticism at all about or any mystery is

1392
01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:52,850
because of the crash of the Silver

1393
01:02:57,820 --> 01:02:55,490
Bridge but understand here what's really

1394
01:02:59,620 --> 01:02:57,830
bad the tragic state in this country is

1395
01:03:02,020 --> 01:02:59,630
the fact that a lot of these bridges

1396
01:03:04,930 --> 01:03:02,030
especially older bridges are not in

1397
01:03:06,820 --> 01:03:04,940
terribly good states of repair so in

1398
01:03:09,130 --> 01:03:06,830
terms of silver bridges there are

1399
01:03:12,310 --> 01:03:09,140
probably too many of them around the

1400
01:03:15,010 --> 01:03:12,320
country with or without a Mothman they

1401
01:03:17,560 --> 01:03:15,020
could come crashing down yeah that's

1402
01:03:21,640 --> 01:03:17,570
really tragic it seems to just be a

1403
01:03:24,070 --> 01:03:21,650
tragic coincidence for sure right I mean

1404
01:03:26,740 --> 01:03:24,080
there was a book called the Silver

1405
01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:26,750
Bridge from grey Barker where he was

1406
01:03:31,630 --> 01:03:29,930
suggesting in rather an allegorical way

1407
01:03:34,330 --> 01:03:31,640
in the book that maybe this was the

1408
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:34,340
banshee the creature warning of

1409
01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:37,010
impending death yeah that's why the

1410
01:03:42,490 --> 01:03:39,290
Mothman was around right rpenter of doom

1411
01:03:44,340 --> 01:03:42,500
sure this could be a harbinger of doom

1412
01:03:47,170 --> 01:03:44,350
here if we don't do this break

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James rayner's joins us the book is it

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subprime credit bubble burst by March

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2009 the dollar lost 50% of its value

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the entire US banking system was on the

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verge of collapsing like all financial

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repeat itself

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unlimited event and everything he's in

1527
01:08:31,690 --> 01:08:29,630
Illinois he bypassed Ohio but probably

1528
01:08:33,640 --> 01:08:31,700
flew over know he's coming from Arizona

1529
01:08:35,470 --> 01:08:33,650
no way he'd be doing that but maybe they

1530
01:08:38,050 --> 01:08:35,480
took a detour so he was looking for

1531
01:08:40,390 --> 01:08:38,060
Mothman just in case James Renner wrote

1532
01:08:43,960 --> 01:08:40,400
it came from Ohio so let's talk about

1533
01:08:48,579 --> 01:08:43,970
the frog from the Mothman to the Frog

1534
01:08:50,710 --> 01:08:48,589
how's that work I love this story in the

1535
01:08:53,050 --> 01:08:50,720
lefland Frog it's one of those that I

1536
01:08:55,210 --> 01:08:53,060
came across that the first time somebody

1537
01:08:57,160 --> 01:08:55,220
told me about it I just laughed at them

1538
01:08:59,760 --> 01:08:57,170
and and you know you just don't know

1539
01:09:03,789 --> 01:08:59,770
where to begin I loved it so much that

1540
01:09:06,210 --> 01:09:03,799
the Loveland frog is actually he becomes

1541
01:09:11,680 --> 01:09:06,220
kind of a character in my first novel

1542
01:09:16,170 --> 01:09:11,690
the man from primrose lane and his the

1543
01:09:18,579 --> 01:09:16,180
the Loveland frog part of it in ER Jax

1544
01:09:21,370 --> 01:09:18,589
you know two or three times over the

1545
01:09:23,680 --> 01:09:21,380
course of the main story but here's

1546
01:09:25,690 --> 01:09:23,690
here's the gist so back in 1972 and

1547
01:09:27,940 --> 01:09:25,700
you'll noticing a kind of a trend here

1548
01:09:30,670 --> 01:09:27,950
with all these weird stories from Ohio

1549
01:09:34,570 --> 01:09:30,680
they all occurred from like 1966 until

1550
01:09:39,870 --> 01:09:34,580
72 73 something very bizarre was going

1551
01:09:41,710 --> 01:09:39,880
on around here this suburb of Cincinnati

1552
01:09:44,579 --> 01:09:41,720
called Glen Flint

1553
01:09:48,340 --> 01:09:44,589
it's this quaint little village on the

1554
01:09:52,360 --> 01:09:48,350
banks of the Little Miami River and out

1555
01:09:56,320 --> 01:09:52,370
in the boonies out that way and this

1556
01:10:01,090 --> 01:09:56,330
officer was driving along Dwight Lee

1557
01:10:03,910 --> 01:10:01,100
Road patrolling the neighborhood saw

1558
01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:03,920
what he thought was a dead dog on the

1559
01:10:09,400 --> 01:10:06,890
side of the road this near the bridge

1560
01:10:11,370 --> 01:10:09,410
over the Little Miami River and he stops

1561
01:10:15,959 --> 01:10:11,380
his cruiser shines a light on it gets

1562
01:10:18,839 --> 01:10:15,969
and this thing kind of rises up onto two

1563
01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:18,849
feet and he describes it as being about

1564
01:10:26,520 --> 01:10:21,610
five feet tall and looking like

1565
01:10:29,160 --> 01:10:26,530
something crossed between a man and a

1566
01:10:33,080 --> 01:10:29,170
frog you know just this weird wrinkly

1567
01:10:36,359 --> 01:10:33,090
skin this big mouth and weird eyes and

1568
01:10:40,760 --> 01:10:36,369
it's of course what does he do the any

1569
01:10:43,439 --> 01:10:40,770
police officer involved in first contact

1570
01:10:46,200 --> 01:10:43,449
with an extraterrestrial civilization or

1571
01:10:48,660 --> 01:10:46,210
whatever this was draws is his weapon

1572
01:10:50,939 --> 01:10:48,670
and fires at it and this thing jumps

1573
01:10:53,129 --> 01:10:50,949
away down the banks into the river

1574
01:10:55,319 --> 01:10:53,139
disappears he's got a file or police

1575
01:10:58,200 --> 01:10:55,329
report because he fired his service

1576
01:11:00,780 --> 01:10:58,210
weapon so he files this report the paper

1577
01:11:02,430 --> 01:11:00,790
picks it up just like Dale spar it

1578
01:11:04,919 --> 01:11:02,440
becomes this this news story and they

1579
01:11:08,250 --> 01:11:04,929
start ridiculing me this this officer

1580
01:11:09,660 --> 01:11:08,260
shock he is his name and his partner

1581
01:11:13,020 --> 01:11:09,670
mark Matthews

1582
01:11:14,729 --> 01:11:13,030
two days later encounters the same thing

1583
01:11:17,280 --> 01:11:14,739
right by the bridge over the Little

1584
01:11:21,569 --> 01:11:17,290
Miami sees the same thing fires at it

1585
01:11:23,490 --> 01:11:21,579
again it gets away and those are the two

1586
01:11:29,310 --> 01:11:23,500
main sightings of what has become known

1587
01:11:31,169 --> 01:11:29,320
as the lefland frog and again I went

1588
01:11:33,930 --> 01:11:31,179
into it I wanted to find the negative

1589
01:11:36,930 --> 01:11:33,940
truth that was behind all these rumors

1590
01:11:38,550 --> 01:11:36,940
and myths and so first thing I did what

1591
01:11:41,490 --> 01:11:38,560
when I went down there of course is to

1592
01:11:43,589 --> 01:11:41,500
try and contact ray shocky this officer

1593
01:11:46,560 --> 01:11:43,599
that encountered the LaVon frog and he's

1594
01:11:48,240 --> 01:11:46,570
never given an interview about it and

1595
01:11:50,760 --> 01:11:48,250
his partner Mark Matthews has only

1596
01:11:53,149 --> 01:11:50,770
talked to one other reporter you know

1597
01:11:56,280 --> 01:11:53,159
and it was when he finally talked he

1598
01:11:58,020 --> 01:11:56,290
kind of discredited his own story and

1599
01:12:00,080 --> 01:11:58,030
said oh it was just it was probably just

1600
01:12:04,080 --> 01:12:00,090
an iguana that got loosed from

1601
01:12:05,580 --> 01:12:04,090
somebody's cage and so I asked shocky

1602
01:12:07,950 --> 01:12:05,590
about this and and he didn't want to

1603
01:12:09,870 --> 01:12:07,960
talk about any of that he's like it

1604
01:12:13,830 --> 01:12:09,880
gives me nothing but grief and everybody

1605
01:12:15,629 --> 01:12:13,840
makes fun of me and I said okay you know

1606
01:12:17,189 --> 01:12:15,639
and and I'm turning to leave and he

1607
01:12:21,089 --> 01:12:17,199
stops me he says why I will tell you

1608
01:12:24,030 --> 01:12:21,099
this it wasn't an iguana I said well

1609
01:12:27,330 --> 01:12:24,040
what was it and he said it was much

1610
01:12:29,490 --> 01:12:27,340
bigger and that's all I would say so I

1611
01:12:34,320 --> 01:12:29,500
did a little more digging and I found

1612
01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:34,330
something very strange in the Historical

1613
01:12:40,590 --> 01:12:36,010
Society down in Laughlin I found these

1614
01:12:43,410 --> 01:12:40,600
stories about the twightwee Indian tribe

1615
01:12:47,130 --> 01:12:43,420
which is kind of an odd tribe that gets

1616
01:12:47,850 --> 01:12:47,140
lumped into the other tribes of the Ohio

1617
01:12:52,740 --> 01:12:47,860
Valley

1618
01:12:54,540 --> 01:12:52,750
sure how this tribe fits in with the

1619
01:12:57,660 --> 01:12:54,550
other cultures they seem to be kind of

1620
01:12:59,550 --> 01:12:57,670
apart from everything else there's a

1621
01:13:01,080 --> 01:12:59,560
story about this group of French

1622
01:13:05,400 --> 01:13:01,090
missionaries that came through the

1623
01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:05,410
region back in the 1600s and they wrote

1624
01:13:08,580 --> 01:13:06,850
the story about how they encountered

1625
01:13:11,910 --> 01:13:08,590
that's white we people near the Miami

1626
01:13:14,820 --> 01:13:11,920
River and that's white we people warn

1627
01:13:17,880 --> 01:13:14,830
them a being called Hashanah hook and

1628
01:13:20,370 --> 01:13:17,890
they said the Shana hook was a river

1629
01:13:22,440 --> 01:13:20,380
demon and it lived in the Miami River

1630
01:13:24,660 --> 01:13:22,450
and there was a truce between the river

1631
01:13:26,610 --> 01:13:24,670
demons and the twightwee people where

1632
01:13:28,170 --> 01:13:26,620
they would leave each other alone as

1633
01:13:31,650 --> 01:13:28,180
long as they they didn't mess around

1634
01:13:32,880 --> 01:13:31,660
with each other so they said they told

1635
01:13:35,070 --> 01:13:32,890
the French missionaries don't mess with

1636
01:13:40,110 --> 01:13:35,080
the Shana and they described it as a

1637
01:13:41,940 --> 01:13:40,120
half man half frog creature so their

1638
01:13:46,280 --> 01:13:41,950
description of this thing that was

1639
01:13:49,740 --> 01:13:46,290
living in the river matches exactly what

1640
01:13:52,410 --> 01:13:49,750
shocked he saw four hundred three

1641
01:13:55,800 --> 01:13:52,420
hundred years later and that just gave

1642
01:13:58,800 --> 01:13:55,810
me chills when I read that so I firmly

1643
01:14:01,200 --> 01:13:58,810
believe there's something we don't know

1644
01:14:04,680 --> 01:14:01,210
to this day that's living and the river

1645
01:14:07,590 --> 01:14:04,690
around Loveland Ohio now when you talk

1646
01:14:10,890 --> 01:14:07,600
about strange creatures in the rivers

1647
01:14:14,340 --> 01:14:10,900
and lakes there is a chapter at the end

1648
01:14:15,390 --> 01:14:14,350
of the book called Ohio's oldest monster

1649
01:14:16,950 --> 01:14:15,400
yes

1650
01:14:19,140 --> 01:14:16,960
subtitle this is gonna be something

1651
01:14:22,050 --> 01:14:19,150
we'll get on soon for a bit of a

1652
01:14:27,000 --> 01:14:22,060
discussion for centuries a sea serpent

1653
01:14:28,530 --> 01:14:27,010
has stalked the shores of Lake Erie what

1654
01:14:31,140 --> 01:14:28,540
a place to go tell us about the sea

1655
01:14:34,440 --> 01:14:31,150
serpent I finished up this book a couple

1656
01:14:36,540 --> 01:14:34,450
years ago back in 2012 I took it to my

1657
01:14:37,470 --> 01:14:36,550
editor and publisher David gray he's up

1658
01:14:39,630 --> 01:14:37,480
here and

1659
01:14:41,760 --> 01:14:39,640
Lynden he does all my local interest

1660
01:14:43,560 --> 01:14:41,770
books and I gave it someone he said you

1661
01:14:45,210 --> 01:14:43,570
know look I'd really like one more story

1662
01:14:47,400 --> 01:14:45,220
you know we should have thirteen in here

1663
01:14:49,530 --> 01:14:47,410
Thirteen's a scary number and you know

1664
01:14:51,210 --> 01:14:49,540
I'd really want 13 I said well yeah sure

1665
01:14:52,979 --> 01:14:51,220
you know I'm sure I can find something

1666
01:14:55,470 --> 01:14:52,989
he said well I want you to write a

1667
01:14:57,030 --> 01:14:55,480
chapter about the Lake Erie monster the

1668
01:14:59,430 --> 01:14:57,040
sea serpent that lives in Lake Erie and

1669
01:15:01,320 --> 01:14:59,440
they laughed and I said now look I want

1670
01:15:03,300 --> 01:15:01,330
this this book you know I'm still a

1671
01:15:06,030 --> 01:15:03,310
reporter I still have some credibility

1672
01:15:09,150 --> 01:15:06,040
to worry about I wanted to be on the

1673
01:15:10,530 --> 01:15:09,160
kind of credible sightings and I said

1674
01:15:12,510 --> 01:15:10,540
there's nothing I've ever seen that

1675
01:15:14,250 --> 01:15:12,520
about this Lake Erie sea monster that

1676
01:15:16,200 --> 01:15:14,260
leads me to believe it could be credible

1677
01:15:19,050 --> 01:15:16,210
he said just do some research see what

1678
01:15:20,370 --> 01:15:19,060
you can find so I did I didn't have

1679
01:15:22,920 --> 01:15:20,380
anything else to do so whenever the

1680
01:15:25,050 --> 01:15:22,930
Cleveland State Archives of the old

1681
01:15:28,680 --> 01:15:25,060
Cleveland Press newspapers and clean

1682
01:15:32,970 --> 01:15:28,690
dealers and Cleveland registers and I

1683
01:15:35,190 --> 01:15:32,980
decided to go back to as far back as I

1684
01:15:39,330 --> 01:15:35,200
can go and see if there were any reports

1685
01:15:42,450 --> 01:15:39,340
and sure enough I found a handful of old

1686
01:15:44,490 --> 01:15:42,460
newspaper reports from the 1800's and

1687
01:15:47,580 --> 01:15:44,500
1700s that we had completely forgotten

1688
01:15:50,580 --> 01:15:47,590
about that hadn't been mentioned in you

1689
01:15:52,680 --> 01:15:50,590
know over a hundred years and there were

1690
01:15:54,600 --> 01:15:52,690
these sightings of this sea monster

1691
01:15:57,330 --> 01:15:54,610
living in Lake Erie and they all seemed

1692
01:16:00,420 --> 01:15:57,340
to be centered where the Sandusky River

1693
01:16:02,850 --> 01:16:00,430
empties into the lake over on the west

1694
01:16:05,100 --> 01:16:02,860
side of the state and getting closer to

1695
01:16:07,320 --> 01:16:05,110
Toledo than Cleveland I found that

1696
01:16:09,900 --> 01:16:07,330
interesting yeah because it was just a

1697
01:16:12,000 --> 01:16:09,910
hoax it would be systematically reported

1698
01:16:14,010 --> 01:16:12,010
across to all Lake Erie but all the

1699
01:16:15,930 --> 01:16:14,020
reports came from the same region which

1700
01:16:17,580 --> 01:16:15,940
men it's me the people were definitely

1701
01:16:20,610 --> 01:16:17,590
seeing something were they all

1702
01:16:22,530 --> 01:16:20,620
describing a creature that was more or

1703
01:16:24,330 --> 01:16:22,540
less identical and I'm going to have you

1704
01:16:25,640 --> 01:16:24,340
answer that question on the other side

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01:16:28,200 --> 01:16:25,650
of this segment because it is

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fascinating and we've got so much more

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to explore lots of stories the book is

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it came from Ohio true tales of the

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01:16:37,520 --> 01:16:36,160
weird wild and unexplained and then

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we'll even cover a little bit about

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serial killers with James Renner I'm

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you are listening to the podcast here in

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the power cast Chris O'Brien on special

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assignment to the book we're talking

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01:21:19,390 --> 01:21:16,970
about with James Renner is it came from

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01:21:22,840 --> 01:21:19,400
Ohio so looking at the Lake Erie sea

1820
01:21:25,560 --> 01:21:22,850
serpents do they all fit a specific

1821
01:21:28,360 --> 01:21:25,570
description they do they all seem to be

1822
01:21:30,850 --> 01:21:28,370
not the typical you know when you think

1823
01:21:32,710 --> 01:21:30,860
lake monster you think Loch Ness monster

1824
01:21:35,860 --> 01:21:32,720
you think the kind of it looks like an

1825
01:21:41,260 --> 01:21:35,870
old plesiosaur right these these all

1826
01:21:42,760 --> 01:21:41,270
were more like a giant eel or something

1827
01:21:44,380 --> 01:21:42,770
along those lines nobody really

1828
01:21:48,310 --> 01:21:44,390
mentioned flippers or anything like that

1829
01:21:50,830 --> 01:21:48,320
just a giant serpent that would that was

1830
01:21:53,530 --> 01:21:50,840
on the lake and let me just read you

1831
01:21:57,220 --> 01:21:53,540
this very small report this report is

1832
01:22:00,400 --> 01:21:57,230
from 1898 a hunter discovered four

1833
01:22:01,630 --> 01:22:00,410
abnormally large eggs buried in the sand

1834
01:22:03,970 --> 01:22:01,640
on the shore of Lake Erie

1835
01:22:06,160 --> 01:22:03,980
believing the eggs were fossils the man

1836
01:22:08,610 --> 01:22:06,170
took them home and here I'm quoting from

1837
01:22:11,190 --> 01:22:08,620
The Plain Dealer this is the major

1838
01:22:14,170 --> 01:22:11,200
newspaper to this day in Cleveland Ohio

1839
01:22:16,870 --> 01:22:14,180
report from 1898 he put them in a

1840
01:22:19,030 --> 01:22:16,880
blanket near the kitchen stove he forgot

1841
01:22:20,620 --> 01:22:19,040
about them but when the family went into

1842
01:22:23,050 --> 01:22:20,630
the kitchen the day following they were

1843
01:22:25,840 --> 01:22:23,060
astonished to see four snakes

1844
01:22:28,510 --> 01:22:25,850
wiggling around the kitchen floor the

1845
01:22:31,150 --> 01:22:28,520
reptiles were from two and a half to

1846
01:22:33,670 --> 01:22:31,160
five feet long though no bigger around

1847
01:22:35,830 --> 01:22:33,680
than a broomstick the fosters have kept

1848
01:22:38,140 --> 01:22:35,840
one snake and since last Saturday when

1849
01:22:41,380 --> 01:22:38,150
it was hatched it has grown more than a

1850
01:22:44,050 --> 01:22:41,390
foot in diameter the paper confidently

1851
01:22:46,300 --> 01:22:44,060
concluded the West End of Lake Erie is

1852
01:22:48,850 --> 01:22:46,310
still inhabited by sea serpents of no

1853
01:22:50,380 --> 01:22:48,860
inconsiderable size that made me a

1854
01:22:52,270 --> 01:22:50,390
believer I think there was definitely

1855
01:22:54,790 --> 01:22:52,280
something in the lake probably up until

1856
01:22:59,980 --> 01:22:54,800
about the 1950s I think it was probably

1857
01:23:03,880 --> 01:22:59,990
a a freshwater snake that has since gone

1858
01:23:07,060 --> 01:23:03,890
extinct I think it was a large some sort

1859
01:23:09,520 --> 01:23:07,070
of large snake that no

1860
01:23:11,290 --> 01:23:09,530
longer exists that see me the only

1861
01:23:12,490 --> 01:23:11,300
explanation I can come up with because

1862
01:23:14,709 --> 01:23:12,500
they were definitely seeing something

1863
01:23:17,169 --> 01:23:14,719
well the key being here is that you're

1864
01:23:18,839 --> 01:23:17,179
finding conventional explanations for

1865
01:23:21,729 --> 01:23:18,849
all these things it's not something

1866
01:23:25,149 --> 01:23:21,739
paranormal or anything it is maybe some

1867
01:23:28,209 --> 01:23:25,159
kind of missing link or a few remnants

1868
01:23:30,819 --> 01:23:28,219
of a species that no longer populates

1869
01:23:32,890 --> 01:23:30,829
the world so much and that's why you

1870
01:23:35,680 --> 01:23:32,900
know I still call myself a skeptic for

1871
01:23:37,720 --> 01:23:35,690
the most part but you know I think these

1872
01:23:39,640 --> 01:23:37,730
depends on what you mean by conventional

1873
01:23:42,580 --> 01:23:39,650
you know to me

1874
01:23:46,300 --> 01:23:42,590
forgotten species and extinct species of

1875
01:23:49,629 --> 01:23:46,310
owl like the Mothman or a snake like the

1876
01:23:51,640 --> 01:23:49,639
the monster or this this craft that the

1877
01:23:53,709 --> 01:23:51,650
military might have devised that they

1878
01:23:55,899 --> 01:23:53,719
encountered ever Mansfield that's as

1879
01:23:58,180 --> 01:23:55,909
incredible to me is anything that could

1880
01:24:00,310 --> 01:23:58,190
be paranormal I and I'm not saying I

1881
01:24:03,370 --> 01:24:00,320
don't believe in the paranormal you know

1882
01:24:05,740 --> 01:24:03,380
the the encounter I had with with the

1883
01:24:08,200 --> 01:24:05,750
little man and the giant dog on the

1884
01:24:10,709 --> 01:24:08,210
woods behind my house you know when I

1885
01:24:13,089 --> 01:24:10,719
was eight years old I think that was

1886
01:24:15,850 --> 01:24:13,099
certainly something that was verging

1887
01:24:19,089 --> 01:24:15,860
into the supernatural paranormal you

1888
01:24:20,950 --> 01:24:19,099
know was it a I'm a a credible reporter

1889
01:24:24,069 --> 01:24:20,960
but I have to ask myself you know was it

1890
01:24:26,589 --> 01:24:24,079
some sort of Fae creature was it some

1891
01:24:29,399 --> 01:24:26,599
sort of bizarre fairy was it you know

1892
01:24:33,010 --> 01:24:29,409
what that what the hell was that thing

1893
01:24:35,080 --> 01:24:33,020
any idea well if we have the answer is

1894
01:24:36,359 --> 01:24:35,090
this wouldn't be the power cast anymore

1895
01:24:39,819 --> 01:24:36,369
there should be something about

1896
01:24:42,520 --> 01:24:39,829
conventional science but this follows

1897
01:24:43,930 --> 01:24:42,530
Joey K 22 s next question which is

1898
01:24:46,209 --> 01:24:43,940
actually question three we'll get back

1899
01:24:49,060 --> 01:24:46,219
to question two in a moment what are the

1900
01:24:50,439 --> 01:24:49,070
most interesting cryptozoological cases

1901
01:24:52,810 --> 01:24:50,449
you've heard of we've talked about sea

1902
01:24:53,649 --> 01:24:52,820
serpents yeah about of course Bigfoot

1903
01:24:56,620 --> 01:24:53,659
yeah

1904
01:25:00,780 --> 01:24:56,630
Bigfoot's always always good you know

1905
01:25:02,709 --> 01:25:00,790
for a or campfire tale you know I

1906
01:25:04,510 --> 01:25:02,719
investigated the Bigfoot sightings here

1907
01:25:06,700 --> 01:25:04,520
in Ohio a lot of them are seen around

1908
01:25:08,439 --> 01:25:06,710
Salt Fork and actually I think there are

1909
01:25:11,830 --> 01:25:08,449
some really good sightings down there

1910
01:25:13,569 --> 01:25:11,840
that day back into the 50s and 60s and

1911
01:25:15,700 --> 01:25:13,579
what surprised me is when I went down

1912
01:25:17,589 --> 01:25:15,710
the Salt Fork and I started talking to

1913
01:25:20,439 --> 01:25:17,599
the Rangers that work there on a daily

1914
01:25:20,979 --> 01:25:20,449
basis you know they were the first ones

1915
01:25:22,630 --> 01:25:20,989
to tell

1916
01:25:24,370 --> 01:25:22,640
and I thought they would they'd be big

1917
01:25:26,680 --> 01:25:24,380
laughs and say uh get out of here you

1918
01:25:28,120 --> 01:25:26,690
know there's no Bigfoot around but the

1919
01:25:29,590 --> 01:25:28,130
Rangers the first ones to tell you

1920
01:25:31,270 --> 01:25:29,600
there's something in the in the woods

1921
01:25:34,930 --> 01:25:31,280
out there and they're convinced that

1922
01:25:37,060 --> 01:25:34,940
there's Sasquatch and I spoke to this

1923
01:25:38,920 --> 01:25:37,070
one ranger who said he was sitting in

1924
01:25:40,240 --> 01:25:38,930
the post late at night it was like 2 or

1925
01:25:41,770 --> 01:25:40,250
3 o'clock in the morning had this

1926
01:25:43,540 --> 01:25:41,780
feeling that something was looking at

1927
01:25:45,130 --> 01:25:43,550
him turned around and looked at the

1928
01:25:49,500 --> 01:25:45,140
window that was behind his desk and

1929
01:25:52,479 --> 01:25:49,510
there is this hairy creature face thing

1930
01:25:54,310 --> 01:25:52,489
looking at him and and he jumped and

1931
01:25:57,070 --> 01:25:54,320
screamed and this thing kind of jumped

1932
01:25:58,690 --> 01:25:57,080
back and ran away and he ran outside to

1933
01:26:00,940 --> 01:25:58,700
see what it was and couldn't find

1934
01:26:04,150 --> 01:26:00,950
anything other than this horrible

1935
01:26:07,690 --> 01:26:04,160
horrible smell by the window a professor

1936
01:26:11,830 --> 01:26:07,700
I think a very credible person of some

1937
01:26:14,650 --> 01:26:11,840
sort reported seeing a mother Sasquatch

1938
01:26:17,080 --> 01:26:14,660
and a baby and a lake and so a lot of

1939
01:26:19,000 --> 01:26:17,090
Bigfoot hunters go down around a certain

1940
01:26:22,090 --> 01:26:19,010
like it's Salt Fork and look for this

1941
01:26:23,550 --> 01:26:22,100
this Bigfoot but I'll tell you I've been

1942
01:26:26,709 --> 01:26:23,560
down there and though the woods are

1943
01:26:29,140 --> 01:26:26,719
enormous and it's easy to get lost and

1944
01:26:30,400 --> 01:26:29,150
if there is a Bigfoot in Ohio there's

1945
01:26:32,650 --> 01:26:30,410
plenty of room for him to live down

1946
01:26:35,680 --> 01:26:32,660
there and never be seen okay do you have

1947
01:26:37,450 --> 01:26:35,690
a feeling as to what Bigfoot really is

1948
01:26:40,150 --> 01:26:37,460
obviously they're seeing something are

1949
01:26:42,850 --> 01:26:40,160
they seeing bears are they seeing some

1950
01:26:45,100 --> 01:26:42,860
hermit in the woods who you know just

1951
01:26:48,700 --> 01:26:45,110
left civilization because they they had

1952
01:26:50,590 --> 01:26:48,710
it with the way things are they lost

1953
01:26:51,760 --> 01:26:50,600
their job they lost their family and

1954
01:26:55,000 --> 01:26:51,770
they just had to get away

1955
01:26:56,890 --> 01:26:55,010
what well the explanation is always

1956
01:26:59,950 --> 01:26:56,900
interesting I've always liked the idea

1957
01:27:01,720 --> 01:26:59,960
that what we're seeing is is is wookies

1958
01:27:04,900 --> 01:27:01,730
that the crash-landed on the Millennium

1959
01:27:10,180 --> 01:27:04,910
Falcon 500 years ago but that might just

1960
01:27:11,860 --> 01:27:10,190
be from a comic book I read once but now

1961
01:27:15,729 --> 01:27:11,870
as far as far as what I really think

1962
01:27:19,360 --> 01:27:15,739
they're saying is I don't know I I I'm

1963
01:27:21,790 --> 01:27:19,370
kind of a on this one I might kind of be

1964
01:27:24,310 --> 01:27:21,800
a believer I think there really is some

1965
01:27:26,979 --> 01:27:24,320
sort of missing link for if that's not

1966
01:27:28,840 --> 01:27:26,989
what we're truly seeing here in Ohio and

1967
01:27:31,570 --> 01:27:28,850
certainly I think what we're seeing up

1968
01:27:34,660 --> 01:27:31,580
in the Pacific Northwest those settings

1969
01:27:36,390 --> 01:27:34,670
are t credible to dismiss and

1970
01:27:40,180 --> 01:27:36,400
too many people have seen him I think

1971
01:27:42,870 --> 01:27:40,190
it's a species of great ape maybe you

1972
01:27:46,419 --> 01:27:42,880
know even closer along the lines between

1973
01:27:49,390 --> 01:27:46,429
orangutans and inhuman it's interesting

1974
01:27:52,180 --> 01:27:49,400
you know when I was growing up you know

1975
01:27:55,300 --> 01:27:52,190
I don't know on the mountainous sticks

1976
01:27:57,370 --> 01:27:55,310
there was this one winter where there

1977
01:28:00,310 --> 01:27:57,380
was a rash of Bigfoot sightings near my

1978
01:28:03,669 --> 01:28:00,320
near my house and it was reported in the

1979
01:28:05,200 --> 01:28:03,679
paper almost daily for a while people

1980
01:28:07,900 --> 01:28:05,210
were seeing Bigfoot and got to the point

1981
01:28:09,250 --> 01:28:07,910
where obviously they were seeing

1982
01:28:13,689 --> 01:28:09,260
something there were too many reports

1983
01:28:15,850 --> 01:28:13,699
coming in and and then winter got really

1984
01:28:18,040 --> 01:28:15,860
cold and all of a sudden the sightings

1985
01:28:21,430 --> 01:28:18,050
stopped everybody stopped seeing Bigfoot

1986
01:28:23,830 --> 01:28:21,440
and then in the spring a couple of

1987
01:28:27,100 --> 01:28:23,840
Rangers in the nearby park system we're

1988
01:28:29,530 --> 01:28:27,110
walking down a trail doing maintenance

1989
01:28:32,410 --> 01:28:29,540
and they came across a corpse of an

1990
01:28:34,060 --> 01:28:32,420
orangutan and that's what people were

1991
01:28:36,280 --> 01:28:34,070
seeing that's what they were reporting

1992
01:28:38,860 --> 01:28:36,290
this Bigfoot not by us this orangutan

1993
01:28:42,880 --> 01:28:38,870
got in the woods it was somebody's you

1994
01:28:45,430 --> 01:28:42,890
know illegal backyard zoo and there are

1995
01:28:47,410 --> 01:28:45,440
a couple of them out that way and they

1996
01:28:48,970 --> 01:28:47,420
had an orangutan that escaped and they

1997
01:28:49,750 --> 01:28:48,980
never reported it because they didn't

1998
01:28:52,240 --> 01:28:49,760
want to get in trouble

1999
01:28:54,729 --> 01:28:52,250
now that leads us in terms of belief to

2000
01:28:57,700 --> 01:28:54,739
this question from Jeff Davis as a

2001
01:29:00,880 --> 01:28:57,710
skilled hunter do you feel intuitively

2002
01:29:03,250 --> 01:29:00,890
that there is an external agent involved

2003
01:29:05,919 --> 01:29:03,260
in the scope of the paranormal or as

2004
01:29:09,010 --> 01:29:05,929
some do you feel the paranormal is an

2005
01:29:11,560 --> 01:29:09,020
anomalous projection or extension of the

2006
01:29:13,950 --> 01:29:11,570
self-contained human mind that Lee

2007
01:29:16,330 --> 01:29:13,960
simply do not understand at this time

2008
01:29:17,650 --> 01:29:16,340
like in a sense I guess we're creating

2009
01:29:20,470 --> 01:29:17,660
our own experiences even though they

2010
01:29:22,510 --> 01:29:20,480
might be externally real sure I don't

2011
01:29:25,169 --> 01:29:22,520
know you know what I think here's what I

2012
01:29:28,390 --> 01:29:25,179
think I think we live in a very strange

2013
01:29:30,520 --> 01:29:28,400
universe a very strange reality at least

2014
01:29:35,550 --> 01:29:30,530
that's always been my experience and I

2015
01:29:38,950 --> 01:29:35,560
think reality is not as grounded in

2016
01:29:42,550 --> 01:29:38,960
order and logic as as we've come to

2017
01:29:46,350 --> 01:29:42,560
believe it is you know I think it's not

2018
01:29:48,419 --> 01:29:46,360
as real as it appears to be and I think

2019
01:29:50,699 --> 01:29:48,429
you know certainly you know

2020
01:29:53,910 --> 01:29:50,709
been looking into true-crime which is

2021
01:29:57,540 --> 01:29:53,920
you know what I do more often you know

2022
01:30:00,719 --> 01:29:57,550
well I've come to find in reporting

2023
01:30:04,169 --> 01:30:00,729
serial killers and true crime in general

2024
01:30:07,169 --> 01:30:04,179
are is this synchronicity that runs

2025
01:30:09,390 --> 01:30:07,179
between everything these weird

2026
01:30:13,169 --> 01:30:09,400
coincidences as some people would call

2027
01:30:19,649 --> 01:30:13,179
them and it just seems to me that

2028
01:30:23,839 --> 01:30:19,659
there's something more going on that you

2029
01:30:26,699 --> 01:30:23,849
know we're in somebody else's story

2030
01:30:29,339 --> 01:30:26,709
that's developing over time it's a

2031
01:30:32,209 --> 01:30:29,349
little too ordered for it to be random

2032
01:30:35,040 --> 01:30:32,219
and completely scientific and logical

2033
01:30:38,830 --> 01:30:35,050
we've got a lot more to cover with James

2034
01:30:46,690 --> 01:30:38,840
Renner because you're in the para cast

2035
01:30:53,590 --> 01:30:50,200
we are the premier independent talk

2036
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2037
01:30:59,560 --> 01:30:58,130
network G C n first game attack of the

2038
01:31:01,600 --> 01:30:59,570
rock codes and it was a critically

2039
01:31:03,610 --> 01:31:01,610
acclaimed success and now there is the

2040
01:31:05,740 --> 01:31:03,620
coming of the protectors a former

2041
01:31:08,140 --> 01:31:05,750
military intelligence man is contacted

2042
01:31:10,540 --> 01:31:08,150
by a space woman in a dream a dream that

2043
01:31:12,130 --> 01:31:10,550
turns out to be a nightmare because evil

2044
01:31:13,690 --> 01:31:12,140
forces on our distant planet are

2045
01:31:16,060 --> 01:31:13,700
planning to conquer the earth

2046
01:31:18,520 --> 01:31:16,070
this is gripping science fiction of the

2047
01:31:20,590 --> 01:31:18,530
classic kind attack of the rock OIG's

2048
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and the coming of the protectors find

2049
01:31:26,890 --> 01:31:22,520
out more at Rocko it's calm

2050
01:31:28,510 --> 01:31:26,900
that's Rocko it's our Ock oids calm so

2051
01:31:31,360 --> 01:31:28,520
here's what happened I was placing an

2052
01:31:33,670 --> 01:31:31,370
order online the site went down it took

2053
01:31:35,470 --> 01:31:33,680
hours before it returned but I'd already

2054
01:31:37,450 --> 01:31:35,480
placed the order with another company if

2055
01:31:39,370 --> 01:31:37,460
your site goes down you could lose

2056
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2057
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personal site you'll want to know it's

2058
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easy to run and it will stay online at

2059
01:31:50,500 --> 01:31:47,600
iWeb your site is hosted on one of the

2060
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most reliable networks in the world talk

2061
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to a sales rep at iWeb comm use the

2062
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2063
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2064
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2065
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2066
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2067
01:32:09,640 --> 01:32:07,910
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2068
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2069
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2070
01:32:15,790 --> 01:32:13,760
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2071
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2072
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2073
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2074
01:32:25,300 --> 01:32:22,660
miss these prices of 50 by 100 for

2075
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$35,000 you heard right that's 5000

2076
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square feet for $35,000 manufacturers if

2077
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you need a larger building try a 100 by

2078
01:32:33,610 --> 01:32:31,970
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2079
01:32:35,020 --> 01:32:33,620
and twenty nine thousand you can't

2080
01:32:37,420 --> 01:32:35,030
afford to rent with these prices

2081
01:32:38,860 --> 01:32:37,430
imagine a 70 by 100 foot church building

2082
01:32:41,350 --> 01:32:38,870
for under sixty nine thousand dollars

2083
01:32:43,600 --> 01:32:41,360
with the economy improving and interest

2084
01:32:47,650 --> 01:32:43,610
rates still at historic lows you can't

2085
01:32:51,430 --> 01:32:47,660
afford to wait so call 866 91 steel lock

2086
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in your price now call 866 91 steel

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2092
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2093
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2100
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2110
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2111
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the retail price

2112
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he has the courage to speak his mind

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2141
01:35:20,050 --> 01:35:18,170
name's Renner's joining us the book as

2142
01:35:21,550 --> 01:35:20,060
it came from Ohio Chris O'Brien on

2143
01:35:23,830 --> 01:35:21,560
special assignment I'll be back next

2144
01:35:25,270 --> 01:35:23,840
week and then the early part of July

2145
01:35:27,160 --> 01:35:25,280
we'll be featuring our old friend Nick

2146
01:35:30,190 --> 01:35:27,170
Redfern who's got a new book out called

2147
01:35:31,860 --> 01:35:30,200
Close Encounters of the fatal kind are

2148
01:35:35,110 --> 01:35:31,870
people involved in UFO research

2149
01:35:39,570 --> 01:35:35,120
suffering an early end to their lives

2150
01:35:42,580 --> 01:35:39,580
I sure hope not let me ask you kind of a

2151
01:35:44,290 --> 01:35:42,590
left-field question from Joey k22 this

2152
01:35:47,650 --> 01:35:44,300
is number 2 of his questions but here's

2153
01:35:50,050 --> 01:35:47,660
Joey again Joey's back Joey we're

2154
01:35:53,140 --> 01:35:50,060
waiting for message number 25 next okay

2155
01:35:55,180 --> 01:35:53,150
are there any paranormal hotspots in

2156
01:35:58,390 --> 01:35:55,190
Ohio and for those who don't know what I

2157
01:36:00,670 --> 01:35:58,400
mean it's a region a place that seems to

2158
01:36:02,710 --> 01:36:00,680
attract more unusual events than

2159
01:36:05,910 --> 01:36:02,720
anything else what do you think well

2160
01:36:09,280 --> 01:36:05,920
sure yeah I think that was my backyard

2161
01:36:11,650 --> 01:36:09,290
okay growing up with those burial mounds

2162
01:36:13,390 --> 01:36:11,660
no I think there's a number of hotspot

2163
01:36:16,770 --> 01:36:13,400
you know they're weird things that

2164
01:36:19,530 --> 01:36:16,780
happen you know around Ravenna you know

2165
01:36:23,320 --> 01:36:19,540
south of Ravenna where I was living

2166
01:36:26,470 --> 01:36:23,330
certainly you know people would say some

2167
01:36:28,390 --> 01:36:26,480
parts of Cleveland are very bizarre

2168
01:36:30,960 --> 01:36:28,400
I know some bizarre people in Cleveland

2169
01:36:36,970 --> 01:36:30,970
with that side of the story Harvey Pekar

2170
01:36:39,670 --> 01:36:36,980
great you know personal friends yeah

2171
01:36:41,200 --> 01:36:39,680
there might be a few Mansfield's always

2172
01:36:43,690 --> 01:36:41,210
been strange there's a lot of weird

2173
01:36:46,390 --> 01:36:43,700
stuff going down there you know with the

2174
01:36:48,970 --> 01:36:46,400
Mansfield reformatory there's a lot of

2175
01:36:51,490 --> 01:36:48,980
stories about ghosts and creepy things

2176
01:36:55,180 --> 01:36:51,500
that happened and Mansfield has the

2177
01:36:57,070 --> 01:36:55,190
giant robot electro and the museum down

2178
01:37:00,160 --> 01:36:57,080
there that I always visit when I get a

2179
01:37:02,440 --> 01:37:00,170
chance and just one of those places

2180
01:37:05,340 --> 01:37:02,450
that's far enough from any major city

2181
01:37:09,910 --> 01:37:05,350
that it becomes kind of its own thing

2182
01:37:11,770 --> 01:37:09,920
with its own legends and myths but you

2183
01:37:15,000 --> 01:37:11,780
know you get around Point Pleasant and

2184
01:37:18,190 --> 01:37:15,010
Gallipolis where the Mothman was seen

2185
01:37:19,510 --> 01:37:18,200
yeah there's a and if you ever get a

2186
01:37:20,500 --> 01:37:19,520
chance you definitely have to visit

2187
01:37:22,270 --> 01:37:20,510
Yellow Springs

2188
01:37:25,090 --> 01:37:22,280
that's a weird weird place that's

2189
01:37:26,529 --> 01:37:25,100
actually Yellow Springs is where Rod

2190
01:37:28,299 --> 01:37:26,539
Serling who

2191
01:37:30,099 --> 01:37:28,309
of the twilight zone as one of the most

2192
01:37:33,189 --> 01:37:30,109
brilliant writers of the 20th century in

2193
01:37:35,049 --> 01:37:33,199
my opinion that's where he went to

2194
01:37:37,899 --> 01:37:35,059
school out at Antioch in Yellow Springs

2195
01:37:39,159 --> 01:37:37,909
and I went out there to report on Dave

2196
01:37:42,069 --> 01:37:39,169
Chappelle when Dave Chappelle

2197
01:37:44,349 --> 01:37:42,079
disappeared for a while then his his

2198
01:37:46,839 --> 01:37:44,359
house is actually out there so rod

2199
01:37:50,559 --> 01:37:46,849
serling was pretty weird then oh yeah

2200
01:37:52,839 --> 01:37:50,569
yeah yeah and you know you go out there

2201
01:37:56,139 --> 01:37:52,849
and you realize that everything you're

2202
01:37:58,449 --> 01:37:56,149
seeing in Yellow Springs was some sort

2203
01:38:00,639 --> 01:37:58,459
of inspiration for one of Rod Serling's

2204
01:38:02,199 --> 01:38:00,649
Twilight Zone episodes it's just

2205
01:38:03,789 --> 01:38:02,209
everything there and the people there

2206
01:38:06,389 --> 01:38:03,799
remind you of the characters and his

2207
01:38:08,799 --> 01:38:06,399
stories and you just get this weird vibe

2208
01:38:11,709 --> 01:38:08,809
it's produced some very strange people

2209
01:38:15,819 --> 01:38:11,719
Rod Serling Dave Chappelle just a few of

2210
01:38:17,559 --> 01:38:15,829
them are a couple of them and it's God

2211
01:38:20,469 --> 01:38:17,569
you know I've always wondered like why

2212
01:38:22,869 --> 01:38:20,479
don't see old hippies I've never

2213
01:38:24,879 --> 01:38:22,879
encountered old hippies until I went to

2214
01:38:28,359 --> 01:38:24,889
Yellow Springs and it seems to be like

2215
01:38:31,719 --> 01:38:28,369
where old hippies go to retire it's just

2216
01:38:33,009 --> 01:38:31,729
this community of hippies and maybe it's

2217
01:38:35,259 --> 01:38:33,019
strange because everybody there is

2218
01:38:37,779 --> 01:38:35,269
always hi and there's certainly more

2219
01:38:40,479 --> 01:38:37,789
head shops per capita than anyplace else

2220
01:38:43,779 --> 01:38:40,489
I've ever visited but and it could just

2221
01:38:46,000 --> 01:38:43,789
be this weird secondhand you know hi

2222
01:38:47,679 --> 01:38:46,010
that everybody's getting from everybody

2223
01:38:49,770 --> 01:38:47,689
else there but something about Yellow

2224
01:38:51,849 --> 01:38:49,780
Springs is always struck me as very

2225
01:38:52,449 --> 01:38:51,859
paranormal very supernatural very

2226
01:38:53,979 --> 01:38:52,459
bizarre

2227
01:38:55,659 --> 01:38:53,989
all right Yellow Springs let's pay a

2228
01:38:58,659 --> 01:38:55,669
visit can you tell us of any specific

2229
01:39:01,989 --> 01:38:58,669
events we'd like to hear about Yellow

2230
01:39:05,829 --> 01:39:01,999
Springs sure the best thing I can think

2231
01:39:07,689 --> 01:39:05,839
of off the top of my head is so yeah the

2232
01:39:10,149 --> 01:39:07,699
only story can think of off the top of

2233
01:39:12,489 --> 01:39:10,159
my head about Yellow Springs is this how

2234
01:39:15,039 --> 01:39:12,499
back in the 1970s you could call it the

2235
01:39:17,829 --> 01:39:15,049
local pizza joint and ask for the

2236
01:39:20,529 --> 01:39:17,839
special pizza with large mush or with

2237
01:39:22,209 --> 01:39:20,539
extra mushrooms and of course the

2238
01:39:24,429 --> 01:39:22,219
mushrooms would be psychedelic mushrooms

2239
01:39:28,289 --> 01:39:24,439
and and they would deliver it to you

2240
01:39:32,079 --> 01:39:28,299
yeah yeah here's you know P OD on demand

2241
01:39:32,770 --> 01:39:32,089
so I just more of a vibe down there than

2242
01:39:34,479 --> 01:39:32,780
anything else

2243
01:39:37,179 --> 01:39:34,489
definitely visit if you get a chance and

2244
01:39:38,439 --> 01:39:37,189
it's not it's not far from right Pat you

2245
01:39:40,290 --> 01:39:38,449
know if you're down here visiting right

2246
01:39:42,640 --> 01:39:40,300
Pat it's it's right next door

2247
01:39:44,380 --> 01:39:42,650
now of course wright-patterson if you

2248
01:39:47,950 --> 01:39:44,390
get too close they'll stop you or what

2249
01:39:50,500 --> 01:39:47,960
yeah yeah well great Patterson is you

2250
01:39:53,620 --> 01:39:50,510
know still this very bizarre Air Force

2251
01:39:55,120 --> 01:39:53,630
Base supposedly where they keep the

2252
01:39:56,620 --> 01:39:55,130
crash from Roswell

2253
01:40:00,520 --> 01:39:56,630
I've been down there and I've

2254
01:40:03,280 --> 01:40:00,530
investigated it oddly enough a friend of

2255
01:40:05,350 --> 01:40:03,290
mine from high school got a job at

2256
01:40:08,500 --> 01:40:05,360
wright-patt I worked for the Air Force

2257
01:40:10,150 --> 01:40:08,510
and he's a brilliant guy and every time

2258
01:40:14,230 --> 01:40:10,160
we're together you know I see him maybe

2259
01:40:15,640 --> 01:40:14,240
once a year at parties and every time

2260
01:40:16,690 --> 01:40:15,650
we're together I'll ask him I say you

2261
01:40:18,400 --> 01:40:16,700
know you got to tell me what you're

2262
01:40:20,560 --> 01:40:18,410
working on down at wright-patt just as a

2263
01:40:24,040 --> 01:40:20,570
joke I'm not thinking he's really doing

2264
01:40:26,230 --> 01:40:24,050
anything and he'd always laugh it off

2265
01:40:27,790 --> 01:40:26,240
and after 9/11 it got to the point where

2266
01:40:31,090 --> 01:40:27,800
he's like well you really shouldn't be

2267
01:40:32,740 --> 01:40:31,100
asking me that stuff I they want us to

2268
01:40:34,720 --> 01:40:32,750
report anybody that's asking about

2269
01:40:38,410 --> 01:40:34,730
wright-patt and I thought he was joking

2270
01:40:39,970 --> 01:40:38,420
again and you know because you know it

2271
01:40:43,270 --> 01:40:39,980
just seemed a little too paranoid well

2272
01:40:45,550 --> 01:40:43,280
one one night it's about seven eight

2273
01:40:47,590 --> 01:40:45,560
years ago we're at a party and I get him

2274
01:40:50,590 --> 01:40:47,600
super drunk this guy gets I mean he's

2275
01:40:53,110 --> 01:40:50,600
just five sheets to the wind and and

2276
01:40:55,480 --> 01:40:53,120
then I ask him what he does at

2277
01:40:57,550 --> 01:40:55,490
wright-patt and he thought about it for

2278
01:41:00,670 --> 01:40:57,560
a second and he said well I'll tell you

2279
01:41:03,670 --> 01:41:00,680
this much he said for the last month

2280
01:41:06,280 --> 01:41:03,680
I've been working on a project and my

2281
01:41:10,060 --> 01:41:06,290
whole praat the whole point of what I

2282
01:41:14,290 --> 01:41:10,070
was doing for this project was trying to

2283
01:41:16,360 --> 01:41:14,300
turn this device on and he said two days

2284
01:41:19,510 --> 01:41:16,370
ago I finally was able to figure out how

2285
01:41:21,400 --> 01:41:19,520
to turn it on and that's all I told me

2286
01:41:22,900 --> 01:41:21,410
and I got goose bumps so I don't know

2287
01:41:25,360 --> 01:41:22,910
what what the hell he was working on

2288
01:41:26,670 --> 01:41:25,370
down there but it was interesting he was

2289
01:41:28,840 --> 01:41:26,680
working on something very interesting

2290
01:41:31,600 --> 01:41:28,850
I'll tell you at least he got you

2291
01:41:34,210 --> 01:41:31,610
frightened Yeah right right maybe that

2292
01:41:35,650 --> 01:41:34,220
was into his intention there he was

2293
01:41:43,900 --> 01:41:35,660
deliberately trying to get you

2294
01:41:46,180 --> 01:41:43,910
frightened over this could be now when

2295
01:41:48,730 --> 01:41:46,190
the book came out and we know it's

2296
01:41:53,160 --> 01:41:48,740
obviously a locally focused book about

2297
01:41:55,530 --> 01:41:53,170
events in Ohio and except for the

2298
01:41:58,080 --> 01:41:55,540
Oh sparse case where they went to

2299
01:42:00,709 --> 01:41:58,090
Pennsylvania did you find that readers

2300
01:42:02,729 --> 01:42:00,719
were calling you on the phone saying hey

2301
01:42:05,930 --> 01:42:02,739
something happened to me or maybe they

2302
01:42:09,600 --> 01:42:05,940
wrote email to you or to your publisher

2303
01:42:13,770 --> 01:42:09,610
yeah yeah certainly yeah and that's how

2304
01:42:15,810 --> 01:42:13,780
all these books kind of you know came

2305
01:42:16,919 --> 01:42:15,820
out and how these stories came to me you

2306
01:42:19,590 --> 01:42:16,929
know I'll give these stories of

2307
01:42:21,240 --> 01:42:19,600
libraries or these readings and I'll

2308
01:42:23,280 --> 01:42:21,250
talk about these stories at libraries

2309
01:42:25,580 --> 01:42:23,290
and afterwards people come up to me and

2310
01:42:29,070 --> 01:42:25,590
want to share their own stories

2311
01:42:30,570 --> 01:42:29,080
it happens with with true-crime too you

2312
01:42:32,820 --> 01:42:30,580
know people come up you know my mother

2313
01:42:35,640 --> 01:42:32,830
vanished in 1970 I'd really need help

2314
01:42:37,470 --> 01:42:35,650
trying to find her and you know so you

2315
01:42:39,180 --> 01:42:37,480
just write those down and if you ever

2316
01:42:39,750 --> 01:42:39,190
get a chance to look at them you check

2317
01:42:41,700 --> 01:42:39,760
them out

2318
01:42:43,770 --> 01:42:41,710
I haven't had much of a chance to look

2319
01:42:46,200 --> 01:42:43,780
into any of the stories that have found

2320
01:42:49,169 --> 01:42:46,210
their way to me since that book was

2321
01:42:53,490 --> 01:42:49,179
published I've been focused on finishing

2322
01:42:55,740 --> 01:42:53,500
up a new novel and and working on that

2323
01:42:58,650 --> 01:42:55,750
end of things I want to take what I've

2324
01:43:01,800 --> 01:42:58,660
learned with reporting and use those

2325
01:43:03,570 --> 01:43:01,810
tricks into telling mysteries and

2326
01:43:05,490 --> 01:43:03,580
writing about mysteries that I can

2327
01:43:08,310 --> 01:43:05,500
actually solve you know so I have to

2328
01:43:10,590 --> 01:43:08,320
write fiction that gives you the added

2329
01:43:12,570 --> 01:43:10,600
benefit here you create the characters

2330
01:43:14,490 --> 01:43:12,580
and situations and you can take a

2331
01:43:16,350 --> 01:43:14,500
mystery and find an answer even though

2332
01:43:18,360 --> 01:43:16,360
in the real world that mystery is never

2333
01:43:22,290 --> 01:43:18,370
solved right right it's much more

2334
01:43:25,650 --> 01:43:22,300
rewarding which is why I incorporated

2335
01:43:27,689 --> 01:43:25,660
the Loveland frog into the man from

2336
01:43:29,610 --> 01:43:27,699
primrose lane is it was an easy way to

2337
01:43:33,689 --> 01:43:29,620
explore that story and then come up with

2338
01:43:35,220 --> 01:43:33,699
my own very bizarre explanation for it

2339
01:43:37,709 --> 01:43:35,230
you know let's think about the other

2340
01:43:39,870 --> 01:43:37,719
creature that's the hairy creature

2341
01:43:43,650 --> 01:43:39,880
that's in the room we haven't talked

2342
01:43:46,760 --> 01:43:43,660
about not Bigfoot but werewolves yeah

2343
01:43:50,520 --> 01:43:46,770
sure everybody good werewolf story

2344
01:43:55,919 --> 01:43:50,530
there's this werewolf that was spotted

2345
01:43:58,500 --> 01:43:55,929
up near Toledo in this town of is it

2346
01:44:00,689 --> 01:43:58,510
defiance the fine square wolf am I

2347
01:44:05,430 --> 01:44:00,699
getting that right it's one of those

2348
01:44:07,200 --> 01:44:05,440
it's a very bizarre story that I'm not

2349
01:44:09,810 --> 01:44:07,210
sure

2350
01:44:11,550 --> 01:44:09,820
again going into it you know how excited

2351
01:44:15,720 --> 01:44:11,560
I was you know because it's like come on

2352
01:44:18,479 --> 01:44:15,730
werewolves really but what here's what I

2353
01:44:20,660 --> 01:44:18,489
liked about it was these stories came

2354
01:44:24,840 --> 01:44:20,670
out of defiance back in again

2355
01:44:26,420 --> 01:44:24,850
1972 very bizarre time for Ohio but

2356
01:44:30,710 --> 01:44:26,430
people were starting to see this hairy

2357
01:44:33,360 --> 01:44:30,720
monster around these railroad tracks and

2358
01:44:35,400 --> 01:44:33,370
described it as a werewolf and they said

2359
01:44:38,280 --> 01:44:35,410
this werewolf came up and tried to

2360
01:44:40,290 --> 01:44:38,290
attack them with a two-by-four and my

2361
01:44:43,650 --> 01:44:40,300
first question is what's a werewolf need

2362
01:44:45,720 --> 01:44:43,660
with a 2x4 that seems a little bit of an

2363
01:44:48,660 --> 01:44:45,730
overkill you know werewolf you've got

2364
01:44:50,190 --> 01:44:48,670
all your they got the claws and the

2365
01:44:53,720 --> 01:44:50,200
fangs and everything what do they need

2366
01:44:56,160 --> 01:44:53,730
with the meanie any other sort of weapon

2367
01:44:59,040 --> 01:44:56,170
and then I realized this is about the

2368
01:45:01,920 --> 01:44:59,050
time that there are a lot of monster

2369
01:45:05,010 --> 01:45:01,930
movies coming out werewolf movies I was

2370
01:45:07,260 --> 01:45:05,020
a teenage werewolf and and things like

2371
01:45:10,680 --> 01:45:07,270
that so it was kind of the fad the craze

2372
01:45:12,240 --> 01:45:10,690
at the time we'll get into teenage world

2373
01:45:13,770 --> 01:45:12,250
wolves and other werewolves and by the

2374
01:45:16,620 --> 01:45:13,780
way werewolves are still popular we've

2375
01:45:20,100 --> 01:45:16,630
got a TV show called bitchin Teen Wolf

2376
01:45:22,410 --> 01:45:20,110
we've got a TV show called True Blood

2377
01:45:23,820 --> 01:45:22,420
True Blood of course the final season

2378
01:45:26,610 --> 01:45:23,830
and they got all sorts of creatures

2379
01:45:31,570 --> 01:45:26,620
there James Raynor is joining us you're

2380
01:45:42,030 --> 01:45:38,880
[Music]

2381
01:45:47,920 --> 01:45:42,040
America's largest independently owned

2382
01:45:49,720 --> 01:45:47,930
communications network see Henry Ford

2383
01:45:51,430 --> 01:45:49,730
once said a man who stops advertising

2384
01:45:52,360 --> 01:45:51,440
save money is like a man who stops a

2385
01:45:53,950 --> 01:45:52,370
clock to save time

2386
01:45:56,230 --> 01:45:53,960
Alex Cassell here the National Account

2387
01:45:57,970 --> 01:45:56,240
Executive at GCN I have the ability to

2388
01:45:59,470 --> 01:45:57,980
customize a national radio campaign

2389
01:46:01,510 --> 01:45:59,480
based on your budget while targeting

2390
01:46:03,010 --> 01:46:01,520
your demographic contact me to find out

2391
01:46:04,600 --> 01:46:03,020
how national radio can help your

2392
01:46:06,970 --> 01:46:04,610
business be more profitable at eight

2393
01:46:09,520 --> 01:46:06,980
seven seven nine nine six four three two

2394
01:46:11,980 --> 01:46:09,530
seven extension 177 that's eight seven

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01:50:03,430 --> 01:50:00,640
well you know because again you go back

2434
01:50:04,930 --> 01:50:03,440
to the 2x4 and and the fact that this

2435
01:50:07,899 --> 01:50:04,940
thing was always seen by the railroad

2436
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tracks and there's this old Depot that's

2437
01:50:11,020 --> 01:50:09,440
probably what it was there's probably a

2438
01:50:14,770 --> 01:50:11,030
uneasy that explanation for the werewolf

2439
01:50:18,160 --> 01:50:14,780
but I love the mythos of werewolves I'd

2440
01:50:20,169 --> 01:50:18,170
love to believe that that could happen I

2441
01:50:22,209 --> 01:50:20,179
remember you know being terrified as a

2442
01:50:23,890 --> 01:50:22,219
kid when I got bit by the neighbor's dog

2443
01:50:26,709 --> 01:50:23,900
thinking that I was gonna turn into a

2444
01:50:30,399 --> 01:50:26,719
werewolf at night or on the full moon so

2445
01:50:32,350 --> 01:50:30,409
it's a fun idea oh I wish it were true

2446
01:50:34,959 --> 01:50:32,360
but you're not gonna tell us that your

2447
01:50:37,149 --> 01:50:34,969
hands became a little bit hairy well

2448
01:50:38,799 --> 01:50:37,159
certainly not on the record of course

2449
01:50:41,740 --> 01:50:38,809
well this is totally off the record

2450
01:50:43,720 --> 01:50:41,750
we're not gonna deal with that in the

2451
01:50:45,700 --> 01:50:43,730
real world where people report

2452
01:50:48,009 --> 01:50:45,710
werewolves are they really talking about

2453
01:50:50,529 --> 01:50:48,019
deranged people who maybe didn't take a

2454
01:50:53,680 --> 01:50:50,539
shave yeah that's probably what's going

2455
01:50:55,629 --> 01:50:53,690
on you know I live in Akron Ohio and you

2456
01:50:58,990 --> 01:50:55,639
know you go downtown on any given day

2457
01:51:00,640 --> 01:50:59,000
and I'd see two or three people that you

2458
01:51:03,339 --> 01:51:00,650
know I would say kind of look like

2459
01:51:06,100 --> 01:51:03,349
werewolves that just needs some

2460
01:51:07,540 --> 01:51:06,110
medication and a shave and I'm sure

2461
01:51:08,709 --> 01:51:07,550
that's what's worth that's what was

2462
01:51:12,819 --> 01:51:08,719
going on but it makes for a good story

2463
01:51:15,160 --> 01:51:12,829
you know I love a good campfire story

2464
01:51:17,410 --> 01:51:15,170
you know and one of the other stories I

2465
01:51:22,569 --> 01:51:17,420
included in this was a you know one that

2466
01:51:25,359 --> 01:51:22,579
was not grounded in any hard truth or

2467
01:51:27,910 --> 01:51:25,369
report but was still very scary to me

2468
01:51:31,750 --> 01:51:27,920
which was the the legend of red eyes

2469
01:51:34,779 --> 01:51:31,760
that was told to us Boy Scouts around

2470
01:51:38,229 --> 01:51:34,789
the campfire can't manitoc which isn't

2471
01:51:40,839 --> 01:51:38,239
too far from from Akron and it's a Boy

2472
01:51:44,200 --> 01:51:40,849
Scout camp and and the way the story

2473
01:51:46,149 --> 01:51:44,210
goes is and we and and mind you this is

2474
01:51:48,910 --> 01:51:46,159
what they would tell us whenever 11 12

2475
01:51:53,020 --> 01:51:48,920
13 years old at camp for the first time

2476
01:51:55,930 --> 01:51:53,030
the Ranger that was popular from the

2477
01:52:00,220 --> 01:51:55,940
1920s back and can't man the talk was

2478
01:52:01,930 --> 01:52:00,230
this very tall dude and he lived a camp

2479
01:52:05,410 --> 01:52:01,940
all of his life that's all he ever did

2480
01:52:07,299 --> 01:52:05,420
and back in in the 1950s he finally

2481
01:52:09,489 --> 01:52:07,309
passed away

2482
01:52:10,809 --> 01:52:09,499
and at the time the camp was having some

2483
01:52:16,239 --> 01:52:10,819
hardships and they didn't have enough

2484
01:52:18,040 --> 01:52:16,249
money to buy him a casket that could fit

2485
01:52:20,739 --> 01:52:18,050
his frame he knew you would have needed

2486
01:52:23,559 --> 01:52:20,749
a special casket built for his large

2487
01:52:27,250 --> 01:52:23,569
body so to save money they got a regular

2488
01:52:29,290 --> 01:52:27,260
casket and they chopped off his head to

2489
01:52:32,889 --> 01:52:29,300
make room and then they put this head in

2490
01:52:36,489 --> 01:52:32,899
his lap and buried him in the woods of

2491
01:52:38,439 --> 01:52:36,499
camp manitoc and if you're a boy scout

2492
01:52:40,869 --> 01:52:38,449
and you're walking back to your camp at

2493
01:52:44,139 --> 01:52:40,879
night you may encounter red eyes which

2494
01:52:47,199 --> 01:52:44,149
are these glowing red eyes that are part

2495
01:52:49,599 --> 01:52:47,209
of this detached head of this Ranger and

2496
01:52:52,619 --> 01:52:49,609
they travel through the forest at night

2497
01:52:54,729 --> 01:52:52,629
searching for the rest of his body and

2498
01:52:56,679 --> 01:52:54,739
it's a story that they tell the boy

2499
01:52:59,349 --> 01:52:56,689
scout the young boy scout so that they

2500
01:53:02,529 --> 01:52:59,359
don't wander off away from their troop

2501
01:53:04,509 --> 01:53:02,539
and get lost in the woods but it'll

2502
01:53:05,979 --> 01:53:04,519
scare the bejesus out of you

2503
01:53:09,389 --> 01:53:05,989
I think and when you're thinking about

2504
01:53:11,649 --> 01:53:09,399
it in your tent later that night

2505
01:53:15,849 --> 01:53:11,659
everybody loves a good campfire story

2506
01:53:18,609 --> 01:53:15,859
but no reality to any of that well I

2507
01:53:25,209 --> 01:53:18,619
didn't think there was and then one day

2508
01:53:29,199 --> 01:53:25,219
I was about 16 17 years old and me and a

2509
01:53:31,270 --> 01:53:29,209
good buddy of mine named Toby and Jeremy

2510
01:53:33,309 --> 01:53:31,280
the three of us had their own little

2511
01:53:35,979 --> 01:53:33,319
group and we'd go explore at night and

2512
01:53:37,750 --> 01:53:35,989
go cause mischief and hang tea and

2513
01:53:39,879 --> 01:53:37,760
toilet paper around other people's camp

2514
01:53:41,649 --> 01:53:39,889
sites and it was about two o'clock in

2515
01:53:44,109 --> 01:53:41,659
the morning and we we walked away from

2516
01:53:46,419 --> 01:53:44,119
our campsite heading down towards

2517
01:53:48,279 --> 01:53:46,429
Concord Lodge in this section of CAM

2518
01:53:50,919 --> 01:53:48,289
manitoc that's just woods on both sides

2519
01:53:53,259 --> 01:53:50,929
of this trail and all of a sudden Toby

2520
01:53:56,500 --> 01:53:53,269
grabs my arm he looks out into the woods

2521
01:53:59,949 --> 01:53:56,510
and says oh my oh my god there's there's

2522
01:54:02,949 --> 01:53:59,959
red eyes left and I'm like whatever dude

2523
01:54:06,429 --> 01:54:02,959
he said no look and I look in the woods

2524
01:54:12,339 --> 01:54:06,439
and about 50 feet into the woods were

2525
01:54:14,199 --> 01:54:12,349
these two glowing red eyes and I the the

2526
01:54:16,689 --> 01:54:14,209
breath was just taken out of me and and

2527
01:54:18,849 --> 01:54:16,699
I've never been so afraid in my life and

2528
01:54:21,870 --> 01:54:18,859
I'm like oh my gosh here we are this is

2529
01:54:25,570 --> 01:54:21,880
weird experiencing something

2530
01:54:27,340 --> 01:54:25,580
paranormal something supernatural and we

2531
01:54:30,490 --> 01:54:27,350
may never live to tell about it

2532
01:54:33,340 --> 01:54:30,500
and so what do we do you know we're

2533
01:54:35,110 --> 01:54:33,350
three young men at that time and we

2534
01:54:38,190 --> 01:54:35,120
start daring each other you know we're

2535
01:54:40,210 --> 01:54:38,200
not gonna run away from this thing but

2536
01:54:42,640 --> 01:54:40,220
somebody's got to find out what it is

2537
01:54:44,710 --> 01:54:42,650
and and and having an encounter with

2538
01:54:47,080 --> 01:54:44,720
this thing and we started airing each

2539
01:54:49,420 --> 01:54:47,090
other and finally I said I was the

2540
01:54:50,710 --> 01:54:49,430
youngest of the group and finally I

2541
01:54:54,220 --> 01:54:50,720
looked at Toby and Jeremy and I'm like

2542
01:54:55,660 --> 01:54:54,230
boy I'm gonna go see what it is and and

2543
01:54:57,910 --> 01:54:55,670
they said yeah you can't do it you're

2544
01:55:00,010 --> 01:54:57,920
too afraid and I go running off into the

2545
01:55:02,320 --> 01:55:00,020
woods after this thing straight at red

2546
01:55:05,740 --> 01:55:02,330
eyes waiting for this thing to devour me

2547
01:55:08,830 --> 01:55:05,750
and I get to it and I realize I find

2548
01:55:11,140 --> 01:55:08,840
that it's an old oil derrick and it's

2549
01:55:14,050 --> 01:55:11,150
slowly chugging away and drawing oil out

2550
01:55:18,270 --> 01:55:14,060
of this this the the forest is a part of

2551
01:55:22,150 --> 01:55:18,280
this this field and the two red eyes

2552
01:55:25,000 --> 01:55:22,160
were the red indicator lights at the

2553
01:55:28,720 --> 01:55:25,010
bottom of the derrick and this this

2554
01:55:30,400 --> 01:55:28,730
little electronic box and but I see what

2555
01:55:32,110 --> 01:55:30,410
it is of course they're still back on

2556
01:55:35,980 --> 01:55:32,120
the trail they don't know anything and

2557
01:55:38,710 --> 01:55:35,990
so what do I do I start screaming bloody

2558
01:55:40,360 --> 01:55:38,720
murder and they scream and go running

2559
01:55:43,180 --> 01:55:40,370
off to camp thinking I've been eaten by

2560
01:55:45,600 --> 01:55:43,190
red eyes and you know about an hour

2561
01:55:48,400 --> 01:55:45,610
later I go sauntering back into camp and

2562
01:55:51,670 --> 01:55:48,410
they're coward and their tent you know

2563
01:55:53,440 --> 01:55:51,680
waiting for the police to arrive so that

2564
01:55:55,630 --> 01:55:53,450
was that was my encounter with the real

2565
01:56:00,460 --> 01:55:55,640
red eyes the real red eye being

2566
01:56:03,190 --> 01:56:00,470
something very conventional I'm sorry

2567
01:56:05,050 --> 01:56:03,200
yes all my stories usually end up back

2568
01:56:07,270 --> 01:56:05,060
in the world of conventional

2569
01:56:09,100 --> 01:56:07,280
explanations example of course when we

2570
01:56:11,440 --> 01:56:09,110
get into things like UFOs and stuff like

2571
01:56:12,580 --> 01:56:11,450
that where tasks can be mighty weird if

2572
01:56:14,800 --> 01:56:12,590
there could be some conventional

2573
01:56:17,980 --> 01:56:14,810
explanations or a mixture

2574
01:56:19,540 --> 01:56:17,990
whyever can tell now someday I think I'd

2575
01:56:22,780 --> 01:56:19,550
like to tell you the story about the

2576
01:56:24,060 --> 01:56:22,790
Summerville South Carolina light this is

2577
01:56:26,580 --> 01:56:24,070
where

2578
01:56:29,760 --> 01:56:26,590
ghosts of someone who worked for the

2579
01:56:32,100 --> 01:56:29,770
railroad is seen holding a lantern which

2580
01:56:34,080 --> 01:56:32,110
of course is the light I went out there

2581
01:56:36,180 --> 01:56:34,090
I didn't see anything strange but maybe

2582
01:56:38,520 --> 01:56:36,190
I'll tell you more about it let's go

2583
01:56:40,560 --> 01:56:38,530
back into the questions here because I

2584
01:56:42,060 --> 01:56:40,570
want to focus a little bit here and we

2585
01:56:44,160 --> 01:56:42,070
don't normally do this because we're so

2586
01:56:46,200 --> 01:56:44,170
much on paranormal events but you kind

2587
01:56:49,110 --> 01:56:46,210
of think serial killers are in

2588
01:56:51,840 --> 01:56:49,120
themselves paranormal so question number

2589
01:56:54,360 --> 01:56:51,850
two from Jeff Davis with the greatest

2590
01:56:56,610 --> 01:56:54,370
respect for your fascination and direct

2591
01:57:00,020 --> 01:56:56,620
pursuit of serial killers in your

2592
01:57:02,820 --> 01:57:00,030
estimation are these deranged yet highly

2593
01:57:05,160 --> 01:57:02,830
functional serial killers a self

2594
01:57:07,710 --> 01:57:05,170
contained and therefore solely

2595
01:57:10,560 --> 01:57:07,720
singularly motivated mission based

2596
01:57:12,300 --> 01:57:10,570
within demented and psychologically

2597
01:57:14,910 --> 01:57:12,310
damaged human psyche what a long

2598
01:57:17,840 --> 01:57:14,920
question or do you feel that possibly an

2599
01:57:20,280 --> 01:57:17,850
external form of evil comes into play

2600
01:57:22,430 --> 01:57:20,290
wherein these individuals are directly

2601
01:57:26,010 --> 01:57:22,440
influenced by a completely independent

2602
01:57:28,410 --> 01:57:26,020
evil volition due to their inviting

2603
01:57:30,540 --> 01:57:28,420
hunger for the same in other words you

2604
01:57:32,400 --> 01:57:30,550
saw my demons I guess the question is

2605
01:57:33,990 --> 01:57:32,410
really about demon possession but you

2606
01:57:36,510 --> 01:57:34,000
know what we have to do the break now

2607
01:57:38,610 --> 01:57:36,520
and we'll have James Renner's answer and

2608
01:57:40,950 --> 01:57:38,620
more about serial killers and about the

2609
01:57:44,130 --> 01:57:40,960
ones depicted on TV and how close might

2610
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they be to the ones who are real the

2611
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book is called a came from Ohio I came

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with James Renner the book as it came

2715
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from Ohio but he chases after serial

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killers we got a really involved

2717
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question there from Jeff Davis mostly

2718
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saying you know are they just evil

2719
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people or are they possessed or

2720
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influenced by demons what's your take

2721
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you know I'm gonna tell you probably my

2722
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most unconventional story of the segment

2723
02:02:51,149 --> 02:02:49,030
of your interview and it has to do with

2724
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serial killers and not with UFOs and

2725
02:02:55,140 --> 02:02:52,690
flying saucers and Bigfoot and things

2726
02:02:58,319 --> 02:02:55,150
like that so the the crime that I've

2727
02:03:00,089 --> 02:02:58,329
investigated the longest is the unsolved

2728
02:03:02,069 --> 02:03:00,099
abduction and murder of Amy maja

2729
02:03:06,000 --> 02:03:02,079
Levesque and she was this 10 year old

2730
02:03:09,839 --> 02:03:06,010
girl and it was abducted on October 27th

2731
02:03:11,100 --> 02:03:09,849
1989 from Bay Village Ohio

2732
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she was taken at 2:30 in the afternoon

2733
02:03:17,580 --> 02:03:15,309
from a busy Plaza in broad daylight

2734
02:03:19,830 --> 02:03:17,590
across the street from the Bay Village

2735
02:03:23,310 --> 02:03:19,840
Police Station Bay Village is a Toni

2736
02:03:26,189 --> 02:03:23,320
suburb of West Cleveland and it's where

2737
02:03:28,470 --> 02:03:26,199
the FBI the local FBI it's where they

2738
02:03:31,200 --> 02:03:28,480
raised their families it's the safest

2739
02:03:33,299 --> 02:03:31,210
community around and this happened in

2740
02:03:34,680 --> 02:03:33,309
broad daylight right there I became

2741
02:03:36,600 --> 02:03:34,690
fascinated with it because I was the

2742
02:03:37,760 --> 02:03:36,610
same age as Amy we were both born in

2743
02:03:44,310 --> 02:03:37,770
1978

2744
02:03:45,779 --> 02:03:44,320
she'd be 36 this year and it just was a

2745
02:03:49,560 --> 02:03:45,789
case that always stuck with me because

2746
02:03:52,020 --> 02:03:49,570
we were the same age I was living with

2747
02:03:53,339 --> 02:03:52,030
my mother in Rocky River it was right

2748
02:03:55,680 --> 02:03:53,349
next door to Bay Village I'd see this

2749
02:03:57,000 --> 02:03:55,690
girl's posters missing posters up all

2750
02:03:59,939 --> 02:03:57,010
over the place and eventually they found

2751
02:04:01,979 --> 02:03:59,949
her body a few months later in Ashland

2752
02:04:04,799 --> 02:04:01,989
County to this day nobody has ever been

2753
02:04:07,740 --> 02:04:04,809
arrested for the murder I've written

2754
02:04:10,410 --> 02:04:07,750
that was my first book was Amy my search

2755
02:04:11,729 --> 02:04:10,420
for her killer it came out in 2006 and

2756
02:04:13,700 --> 02:04:11,739
all these other books kind of came out

2757
02:04:15,680 --> 02:04:13,710
of that I went into a

2758
02:04:17,990 --> 02:04:15,690
thinking that after so many years the

2759
02:04:19,820 --> 02:04:18,000
police probably knew who did it just

2760
02:04:22,250 --> 02:04:19,830
didn't have enough evidence to arrest

2761
02:04:25,100 --> 02:04:22,260
them because that's what we see on CSI

2762
02:04:26,600 --> 02:04:25,110
and in law and order but when I started

2763
02:04:29,780 --> 02:04:26,610
looking into it I found something very

2764
02:04:31,400 --> 02:04:29,790
bizarre and that's that so many men had

2765
02:04:34,700 --> 02:04:31,410
the means motive an opportunity to

2766
02:04:37,580 --> 02:04:34,710
commit the crime a number of men at

2767
02:04:39,290 --> 02:04:37,590
least 10 had taken note of Amy and these

2768
02:04:41,990 --> 02:04:39,300
were creepy individuals and they all

2769
02:04:43,640 --> 02:04:42,000
kind of were keeping tabs on her and if

2770
02:04:45,260 --> 02:04:43,650
she wasn't abducted by the person that

2771
02:04:48,680 --> 02:04:45,270
took her she might have been abducted by

2772
02:04:51,020 --> 02:04:48,690
somebody else this was something that an

2773
02:04:52,280 --> 02:04:51,030
FBI agent told me he said you know he

2774
02:04:54,260 --> 02:04:52,290
hadn't taken her somebody else might

2775
02:04:56,300 --> 02:04:54,270
have you know perhaps what happened was

2776
02:04:58,250 --> 02:04:56,310
she went to the plaza to meet with a

2777
02:05:00,110 --> 02:04:58,260
certain time doctor and then somebody

2778
02:05:01,550 --> 02:05:00,120
else came and took her before that could

2779
02:05:06,350 --> 02:05:01,560
be one of the reasons why it was so hard

2780
02:05:09,500 --> 02:05:06,360
to saw over the years I've learned of a

2781
02:05:11,780 --> 02:05:09,510
man who at the time that Amy was

2782
02:05:13,700 --> 02:05:11,790
abducted was a schoolteacher he taught

2783
02:05:16,040 --> 02:05:13,710
science at middle school science in

2784
02:05:17,959 --> 02:05:16,050
Amherst which is not too far from big

2785
02:05:20,450 --> 02:05:17,969
village number of things were very

2786
02:05:22,550 --> 02:05:20,460
interesting about him he fit the

2787
02:05:25,880 --> 02:05:22,560
description of the person that people

2788
02:05:30,500 --> 02:05:25,890
saw Amy with and who led her away from

2789
02:05:32,750 --> 02:05:30,510
the plaza and he had some run-ins with

2790
02:05:34,640 --> 02:05:32,760
with kids in his school district he was

2791
02:05:38,060 --> 02:05:34,650
investigated for inappropriate behavior

2792
02:05:41,030 --> 02:05:38,070
things like that when the FBI finally

2793
02:05:44,090 --> 02:05:41,040
started asking about him and looking and

2794
02:05:45,770 --> 02:05:44,100
digging into his background in 2005 he

2795
02:05:47,930 --> 02:05:45,780
was one year away from collecting his

2796
02:05:50,750 --> 02:05:47,940
pension and finishing and retiring from

2797
02:05:54,320 --> 02:05:50,760
teaching he abruptly quit teaching and

2798
02:05:56,630 --> 02:05:54,330
disappeared he showed up six months

2799
02:05:59,420 --> 02:05:56,640
later in a homeless shelter in Key West

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02:06:01,130 --> 02:05:59,430
Florida which is as far as he can get

2801
02:06:01,550 --> 02:06:01,140
from Bay Village without leaving the

2802
02:06:05,450 --> 02:06:01,560
country

2803
02:06:09,920 --> 02:06:05,460
he has since left the homeless shelter

2804
02:06:13,970 --> 02:06:09,930
is now managing the Wendy's on Key West

2805
02:06:15,620 --> 02:06:13,980
and I learned about this guy in 2008 I

2806
02:06:16,790 --> 02:06:15,630
had to fly down I had to see I had to

2807
02:06:20,390 --> 02:06:16,800
meet this guy I had to see him for

2808
02:06:22,520 --> 02:06:20,400
myself so I went down and all I knew was

2809
02:06:23,000 --> 02:06:22,530
he was somewhere in Key West and in my

2810
02:06:25,100 --> 02:06:23,010
mind

2811
02:06:27,260 --> 02:06:25,110
Key West as an island it can't really be

2812
02:06:31,760 --> 02:06:27,270
that big right I get down there

2813
02:06:33,260 --> 02:06:31,770
course Key West is just huge and yeah

2814
02:06:36,470 --> 02:06:33,270
I'd really didn't know where to begin I

2815
02:06:38,660 --> 02:06:36,480
started showing his picture around and

2816
02:06:41,060 --> 02:06:38,670
at different restaurants and businesses

2817
02:06:42,260 --> 02:06:41,070
and eventually I got some leads they

2818
02:06:44,390 --> 02:06:42,270
said yeah he looks like the guy that

2819
02:06:47,300 --> 02:06:44,400
plays ragtime piano down at the the

2820
02:06:50,600 --> 02:06:47,310
piano bar and I knew that was him

2821
02:06:52,300 --> 02:06:50,610
because he played ragtime piano and

2822
02:06:54,710 --> 02:06:52,310
Disneyworld before he became a teacher

2823
02:06:56,300 --> 02:06:54,720
so I'd go down to the piano bar and of

2824
02:06:57,620 --> 02:06:56,310
course the piano bar had shuttered you

2825
02:06:59,780 --> 02:06:57,630
know a couple weeks before and I just

2826
02:07:03,020 --> 02:06:59,790
missed him actually the first place I

2827
02:07:04,400 --> 02:07:03,030
went to was the Wendy's and I had

2828
02:07:07,190 --> 02:07:04,410
mentioned you know I kind of gave away

2829
02:07:08,780 --> 02:07:07,200
the the twist of the story but um at the

2830
02:07:11,360 --> 02:07:08,790
time I didn't know he worked at Wendy's

2831
02:07:13,040 --> 02:07:11,370
and is the first place I went because

2832
02:07:15,950 --> 02:07:13,050
that's where he would take the kids that

2833
02:07:18,620 --> 02:07:15,960
he'd shine to back in Ohio his special

2834
02:07:21,080 --> 02:07:18,630
treat would be to take them for Wendy's

2835
02:07:22,670 --> 02:07:21,090
after school and and that's kind of how

2836
02:07:24,350 --> 02:07:22,680
he groomed him but when I went to

2837
02:07:26,570 --> 02:07:24,360
Wendy's I didn't see him there I was

2838
02:07:28,400 --> 02:07:26,580
looking for him in the in the customer

2839
02:07:30,200 --> 02:07:28,410
line or just hanging out in the

2840
02:07:32,330 --> 02:07:30,210
restaurant I wasn't considering that he

2841
02:07:34,790 --> 02:07:32,340
might actually be working there so I

2842
02:07:36,620 --> 02:07:34,800
spend the next 36 hours trying to find

2843
02:07:38,390 --> 02:07:36,630
him hunting him down on this island and

2844
02:07:39,770 --> 02:07:38,400
finally I decided I'm like look I'll

2845
02:07:40,850 --> 02:07:39,780
just go to the homeless shelter and I

2846
02:07:42,770 --> 02:07:40,860
started asking around the homeless

2847
02:07:45,020 --> 02:07:42,780
shelter and one guy said well if anybody

2848
02:07:48,260 --> 02:07:45,030
knows where he's at its mr. Frisby I

2849
02:07:49,760 --> 02:07:48,270
said well who's mr. Frisby and and the

2850
02:07:52,100 --> 02:07:49,770
guy said well he's that guy tossing the

2851
02:07:53,570 --> 02:07:52,110
frisbee down on the beach and so I went

2852
02:07:55,730 --> 02:07:53,580
over and talked to mr. frisbee he's like

2853
02:07:57,050 --> 02:07:55,740
yeah I know this guy he's yeah he's my

2854
02:07:59,630 --> 02:07:57,060
friend he looked out for me the homeless

2855
02:08:00,920 --> 02:07:59,640
shelter I said where where is he what

2856
02:08:04,760 --> 02:08:00,930
happened to him and he said always

2857
02:08:07,070 --> 02:08:04,770
managing the Wendy's so I drove over to

2858
02:08:09,230 --> 02:08:07,080
the Wendy's and he was supposed to be

2859
02:08:10,910 --> 02:08:09,240
working that afternoon and I talked to

2860
02:08:12,920 --> 02:08:10,920
the woman behind the counter and she

2861
02:08:15,860 --> 02:08:12,930
said well strangest thing he called in

2862
02:08:17,450 --> 02:08:15,870
sick I said oh that's strange he said

2863
02:08:19,790 --> 02:08:17,460
she's like yeah you never calls in

2864
02:08:21,620 --> 02:08:19,800
second he called in sick today so what

2865
02:08:23,930 --> 02:08:21,630
can you find out where he lives or do

2866
02:08:25,640 --> 02:08:23,940
you have a phone number because um you

2867
02:08:27,320 --> 02:08:25,650
know I kind of bluffed I said I'm a

2868
02:08:29,360 --> 02:08:27,330
former student I'd really like to talk

2869
02:08:31,160 --> 02:08:29,370
to him and so she went and pulled his

2870
02:08:34,520 --> 02:08:31,170
paperwork and and she said well this is

2871
02:08:35,960 --> 02:08:34,530
strange she didn't list an address but I

2872
02:08:37,640 --> 02:08:35,970
know he's got to live on the northeast

2873
02:08:40,560 --> 02:08:37,650
side of the island because I see him

2874
02:08:42,120 --> 02:08:40,570
over there sometimes jogging

2875
02:08:43,740 --> 02:08:42,130
I knew it was an avid jogger so I sit

2876
02:08:46,770 --> 02:08:43,750
over there and it gets the point where I

2877
02:08:48,510 --> 02:08:46,780
have an hour left on the island before I

2878
02:08:51,600 --> 02:08:48,520
have to drive off and and catch my

2879
02:08:56,450 --> 02:08:51,610
flight this sounds like a movie doesn't

2880
02:08:59,669 --> 02:08:56,460
it's it's it was it's a very movie like

2881
02:09:01,709 --> 02:08:59,679
situation that I find myself in and so

2882
02:09:03,600 --> 02:09:01,719
um I've got an hour left I gotta catch

2883
02:09:05,609 --> 02:09:03,610
my flight in Miami I have to leave and I

2884
02:09:08,700 --> 02:09:05,619
realize that I'm not gonna find this guy

2885
02:09:10,760 --> 02:09:08,710
and I frustrated I stopped at a stop

2886
02:09:13,680 --> 02:09:10,770
sign and the suburban part of Key West

2887
02:09:16,200 --> 02:09:13,690
and I put my head down and I and I'm not

2888
02:09:18,300 --> 02:09:16,210
a religious guy you know I grew up I

2889
02:09:19,919 --> 02:09:18,310
went to church you know a few times but

2890
02:09:22,770 --> 02:09:19,929
I wasn't raised in the church

2891
02:09:24,510 --> 02:09:22,780
and I I just sent this message out call

2892
02:09:27,240 --> 02:09:24,520
it a prayer call it a message to the

2893
02:09:29,760 --> 02:09:27,250
universe whatever I just said yeah so

2894
02:09:32,939 --> 02:09:29,770
this message out it was if this is the

2895
02:09:35,370 --> 02:09:32,949
guy and I'm supposed to meet him I need

2896
02:09:38,010 --> 02:09:35,380
help because I I have to leave and I I'm

2897
02:09:41,280 --> 02:09:38,020
not fighting him he walked in front of

2898
02:09:42,899 --> 02:09:41,290
my car at that exact moment and he

2899
02:09:47,669 --> 02:09:42,909
crossed in front of my car at the stop

2900
02:09:50,280 --> 02:09:47,679
sign and I pulled over and I get out and

2901
02:09:52,260 --> 02:09:50,290
I call after him and we have this

2902
02:09:55,439 --> 02:09:52,270
conversation on the corner of the street

2903
02:09:58,740 --> 02:09:55,449
for ten minutes and during this ten

2904
02:10:02,040 --> 02:09:58,750
minutes he never once denies killing Amy

2905
02:10:03,540 --> 02:10:02,050
you know he says things like there were

2906
02:10:09,330 --> 02:10:03,550
things in his past that he doesn't

2907
02:10:15,030 --> 02:10:09,340
remember and the whole time I was with

2908
02:10:18,720 --> 02:10:15,040
him there was this odd darkness around

2909
02:10:21,720 --> 02:10:18,730
him that is figurative you know it was

2910
02:10:26,040 --> 02:10:21,730
something I felt but it was also literal

2911
02:10:29,700 --> 02:10:26,050
I mean the light was funny around him

2912
02:10:31,620 --> 02:10:29,710
ooh this is more fascinating than ever

2913
02:10:34,649 --> 02:10:31,630
and when we find out about his encounter

2914
02:10:36,569 --> 02:10:34,659
with this alleged killer in a moment at

2915
02:10:39,330 --> 02:10:36,579
least he's here to live to tell the tale

2916
02:10:47,850 --> 02:10:39,340
James Renner joins us some Jean

2917
02:10:56,040 --> 02:10:51,580
but always independent-minded the

2918
02:10:58,360 --> 02:10:56,050
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book is he came from Ohio he also chases

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after serial killers in this case you

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chased after somebody that you actually

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encountered for a moment that you ever

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think this guy would suddenly strike

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back at you would o be armed and

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dangerous

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no I wasn't but we were on a very busy

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intersection and I figured you know if I

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push them maybe he pushed him meaning

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with my interview not like physically

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pushing if I really push this guy with

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my questions and perhaps he would attack

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me and then he would he would be

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arrested and that could be probable

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cause to search his house it might have

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opened up some evidence for the

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investigation but so I was almost hoping

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he would you are really kind of pushing

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the envelope there yeah maybe you know I

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think a psychologist might view it as

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self-destructive behavior but yeah I've

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been looking for this guy since I was 11

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years old you know and I and you know I

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think he's probably the person that did

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it at the very least I know he's a very

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evil guy you know from the things that I

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discovered that he had done to others of

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his students but yeah there was a you

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know talking about the paranormal

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supernatural there was a there was

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darkness around him you know and do i

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you know i think the question originally

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the cat is talking about this is you

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know whether there are things like

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demons and I would say that encounter

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with that suspect it's one of those

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defining moments where yes there was

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there's a demon there there's no getting

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around it there was something there was

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something around that man there's

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nothing that he told you that you could

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have used to go back to the authorities

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and say he's the guy well it's not

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entirely true because I did specifically

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asked him did you kill Amy Mihailovich

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and he did not say no

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you know that's enough in in a court of

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law where it's almost considered an

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admission he was asked a direct question

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and and he didn't say no so that's

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enough to be called to the stand and to

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testify on that bit of information and

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certainly opens up him for further

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investigation and interest for the FBI

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and and the police in that case and I'm

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not the only one that has sent something

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especially with this case and I'd say a

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hundred you know 99.9% of these cases

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have nothing to do with the supernatural

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paranormal but something about this case

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it does you speak to the FBI agents who

3075
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have worked this case for 20-some years

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I spoke to one and you know this is a

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very credible guy and we're having this

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conversation about this true crime this

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unsolved mystery and suddenly he gets

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the point where he kind of trusts me and

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he leans across the table and he says

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have you ever what he said was hear the

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words have you ever heard the voices and

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I look at him I what are you talking

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about what voices and he says well have

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you ever been to the site where her body

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was found on the anniversary of her

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abduction and I said no I'm usually at

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Bay village Plaza where she was abducted

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I've never decided to be at that site he

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said well go down there be at that site

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on the anniversary of her abduction he

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says I've done it every year since then

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he says when you're down there you will

3095
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hear the voice of her killer he said I

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don't know how to explain it said but

3097
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every year I'm down there and about you

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know seven eight o'clock at night when

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it starts getting dark I can hear it I

3100
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can hear his voice so something about

3101
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this case there's something darker

3102
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something specifically evil about it but

3103
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certainly not enough to get the

3104
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authorities to arrest this guy after all

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these years you know how do you arrest a

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guy you know you can't arrest a guy

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because some reporters come up to you

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and told told you that there's a demon

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you know around this guy they may even

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problem Yeah right

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ya know I'm sure you know thankfully

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there's another FBI agent at least one

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that is you know encountered the same

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thing you know so I don't look entirely

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crazy and hopefully the the background

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and my other work is you know spoken for

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it but you know it is what it is you

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know there as far as the case goes they

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did assign a retired FBI agent guy named

3121
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Phil tours me back in February of this

3122
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year to reopen the case

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and he's a great pic tures knees one of

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the guys that brought in Whitey Bulger

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over in Boston and he's clicking on this

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and working on his spare time and if

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anybody can bring it to a close I think

3128
02:20:15,000 --> 02:20:10,979
it's him

3129
02:20:16,170 --> 02:20:15,010
so how many years is it now was 89 so

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that would does that make it we're

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coming up on the 25th anniversary right

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so after 25 years there's no statute of

3133
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limitations with murder

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and you have to think here if they get

3135
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him for this one there may be lots of

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other unsolved cases for which these

3137
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people might be responsible you would

3138
02:20:35,250 --> 02:20:31,270
think but I don't think that's the case

3139
02:20:36,840 --> 02:20:35,260
with with this one I think this one of

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the reasons we have in Kodama sees never

3141
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done it again I think this guy is a

3142
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serial abuser but I think with this

3143
02:20:50,069 --> 02:20:47,470
incident he took Amy not knowing where

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it would lead and the murder

3145
02:20:56,429 --> 02:20:53,050
I think scared him so much that he's

3146
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never been drawn to it again the suspect

3147
02:20:59,340 --> 02:20:58,119
that I like for it and in Key West

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Florida the one thing that's very

3149
02:21:04,319 --> 02:21:00,880
interesting from a psychological

3150
02:21:06,149 --> 02:21:04,329
standpoint is when he was young was

3151
02:21:09,380 --> 02:21:06,159
about eight years old he had a twin

3152
02:21:11,880 --> 02:21:09,390
sister and she died when they were 8 and

3153
02:21:14,660 --> 02:21:11,890
when she was still prepubescent which

3154
02:21:17,340 --> 02:21:14,670
amy was at the time of her abduction and

3155
02:21:19,559 --> 02:21:17,350
you know you get into the minds of these

3156
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serial killers and our abusers or

3157
02:21:25,349 --> 02:21:23,680
whatever and one of the things you start

3158
02:21:27,300 --> 02:21:25,359
to see as many of them are reliving

3159
02:21:29,609 --> 02:21:27,310
these traumatic events from their

3160
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childhood and they're trying to recreate

3161
02:21:34,229 --> 02:21:31,449
them in order to draw some sort of

3162
02:21:36,540 --> 02:21:34,239
understanding from it and I think that's

3163
02:21:38,870 --> 02:21:36,550
exactly what this guy is done and Amy

3164
02:21:42,889 --> 02:21:38,880
was a surrogate for his twin sister

3165
02:21:45,860 --> 02:21:42,899
and it went beyond where he thought he

3166
02:21:47,300 --> 02:21:45,870
was going to take it and he's been

3167
02:21:50,360 --> 02:21:47,310
terrified ever since then

3168
02:21:52,340 --> 02:21:50,370
and has never committed another crime at

3169
02:21:54,469 --> 02:21:52,350
least at least that at least murder

3170
02:21:56,030 --> 02:21:54,479
he's never murdered again all right this

3171
02:21:57,620 --> 02:21:56,040
is something where maybe if we ever get

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an update we'd like to learn more about

3173
02:22:00,290 --> 02:21:59,550
it but let's look at fantasy versus

3174
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reality

3175
02:22:04,700 --> 02:22:02,340
sure so you have a fascination with

3176
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serial killers I think it's most blatant

3177
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in a TV show called the following where

3178
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you have this serial killer who has

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followers who killed because they

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worship Him that's the Kevin Bacon

3181
02:22:20,000 --> 02:22:16,729
program and then you have Criminal Minds

3182
02:22:22,940 --> 02:22:20,010
we have a special group of FBI agents

3183
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who go out around the country and they

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trace reports of serial killers and they

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try to capture them now obviously they

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have to solve this in 43 minutes plus

3187
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commercials and sometimes these stories

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extend week after week like the

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following is going into its third year

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this coming year this third season of

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what 13 episodes of season so it's

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basically one long serialized story

3193
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whereas the others are usually one or

3194
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two episodes but then if you look at

3195
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these TV shows and certainly where they

3196
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cover a serial killer in a law-and-order

3197
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variant like Law & Order SVU which is

3198
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the current one the last one that's

3199
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available or in CSI how close to reality

3200
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are these shows because supposedly they

3201
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are inspired by real stories yeah how

3202
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close are they to reality about as close

3203
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as the Twilight series was to reality or

3204
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or spongebob squarepants is to reality

3205
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they have no basis in reality I I have

3206
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to say I despise that shows because of

3207
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it because they've actually done damage

3208
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they've created a new generation of

3209
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potential jurors who believed that these

3210
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cases can be solved easily that every

3211
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case needs DNA evidence that every case

3212
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needs a smoking gun so it's it's

3213
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frustrating I can't watch him because I

3214
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know everything that's wrong with them

3215
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you know and every police officer you

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know that's been doing homicide for any

3217
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length of time will say the same thing

3218
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and there's no basis and in reality and

3219
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one of the things that you see on these

3220
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programs a lot are that is this idea of

3221
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this satanic cult or this cult of

3222
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killers or this you know as Satanism

3223
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comes up a lot you know everybody wants

3224
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to blame you know these unsolved murders

3225
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or disappearances on Satanists that that

3226
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are sacrificing them to the demigods or

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whatever we'll get into the myths and

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the realities in a moment James Renner

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final second with James Renner he writes

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about true crime and also about

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paranormal events such as the book that

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came from Ohio so back to serial killers

3341
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so things are always cut and try and

3342
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very simplistic on the TV shows

3343
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everything is due to a satanic cult

3344
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so the serial killer in general is just

3345
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an individual who acts alone doing his

3346
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or her skullduggery yeah sure yeah you

3347
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know there's been one or two instances

3348
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where you have I actually encountered

3349
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one of the stories the title story to a

3350
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book that I wrote called the serial

3351
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killers apprentice which was a

3352
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collection of 13 unsolved murders and

3353
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mysteries was about serial killer one of

3354
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the rare instances where he was working

3355
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with somebody else and I found evidence

3356
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that I was a serial killer that was

3357
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training his nephew in his trade so that

3358
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that's kind of creepy but as far as this

3359
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notion that there are these satanic

3360
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cults out there that are operating

3361
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across the country that are abducting

3362
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young kids and sacrificing them that is

3363
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just a bunch of hooey to this date

3364
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there's not one credible confirmed

3365
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verified instance of a satanic cult in

3366
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the United States that have been caught

3367
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sacrificing a kid or or anybody for that

3368
02:30:45,809 --> 02:30:43,029
matter so it's it's I don't know why it

3369
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became a big trope in TV because it's

3370
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there's nothing you know even in reality

3371
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it's a pole Fuhrman but suddenly

3372
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everybody believes that that's what's

3373
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really going on the other common theme

3374
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you see in something like Criminal Minds

3375
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is there's some childhood trauma he's

3376
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trying to relate to his mother which

3377
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takes you back to psycho he's trying to

3378
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relate to some stigma that confronted

3379
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him when he was a child or was

3380
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confronted with other traumas maybe

3381
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being abused by fellow kids or something

3382
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so therefore he or she becomes a serial

3383
02:31:22,800 --> 02:31:19,689
killer but the other question is how

3384
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many are male or female is it mostly

3385
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male Oh

3386
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99.5 our mail you know the few you know

3387
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there's like one or Aileen Wuornos you

3388
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know and one or two others you know that

3389
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are that are women but that's another

3390
02:31:42,881 --> 02:31:38,900
thing that really gets me is and I see

3391
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this a lot in books and it's part of you

3392
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know it's it's grounded I think in

3393
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feminism which you know i'm i consider

3394
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myself you know certainly i try to write

3395
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strong women characters when i write

3396
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fiction i you know i'm very aware of of

3397
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that but you know this notion of making

3398
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the the twist at the end of the story in

3399
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that it's a it's a woman that's doing

3400
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that the serial killings there's no

3401
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basis in fact for that it's 99.5 percent

3402
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men women just there they just don't do

3403
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that you know you know and part of it is

3404
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the you know the the physicalness of it

3405
02:32:24,791 --> 02:32:23,271
I mean you've got if you if you're that

3406
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person you're you're taking this other

3407
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life you're taking this other person you

3408
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have to have the the physical means to

3409
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do that and and III you know I just

3410
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think women are you know they have a

3411
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grace in them that is lacking you know I

3412
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think men don't have don't have that

3413
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that certain gene at least most of us

3414
02:32:49,451 --> 02:32:46,820
you know so I don't like that you know

3415
02:32:53,140 --> 02:32:49,461
this this thing that you're seeing a lot

3416
02:32:56,440 --> 02:32:53,150
in in stories that they you know that

3417
02:32:58,930 --> 02:32:56,450
they make the killer a woman and just

3418
02:33:00,881 --> 02:32:58,940
it's not grounded in reality they want

3419
02:33:02,831 --> 02:33:00,891
to have equal opportunity offenders on

3420
02:33:05,381 --> 02:33:02,841
these shows also obviously they catch

3421
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them in 43 minutes except for the few

3422
02:33:10,121 --> 02:33:07,761
that are used for a series arc in the

3423
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real world is there a percentage of

3424
02:33:14,650 --> 02:33:13,101
those cases that are closed or do you

3425
02:33:16,871 --> 02:33:14,660
find that a lot of these cases because

3426
02:33:19,480 --> 02:33:16,881
of the complicated nature never seem to

3427
02:33:22,331 --> 02:33:19,490
get saw yeah it's a depressing statistic

3428
02:33:24,430 --> 02:33:22,341
but I think I I think I encountered it's

3429
02:33:26,980 --> 02:33:24,440
like you know for all these unsolved

3430
02:33:30,640 --> 02:33:26,990
mysteries and disappearances and murders

3431
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you know only about a tenth of them are

3432
02:33:36,680 --> 02:33:35,061
ever solved it's you know and you know

3433
02:33:39,801 --> 02:33:36,690
sometimes it'll take

3434
02:33:41,720 --> 02:33:39,811
you know it could take 2025 years and

3435
02:33:43,881 --> 02:33:41,730
even when you catch these killers in

3436
02:33:46,911 --> 02:33:43,891
these these tragic stories there's

3437
02:33:49,220 --> 02:33:46,921
really no closure that that it's

3438
02:33:51,921 --> 02:33:49,230
presented the way they are in TV and

3439
02:33:54,081 --> 02:33:51,931
film which is one of the reasons I got

3440
02:33:56,001 --> 02:33:54,091
away from it you know and I'm you know

3441
02:33:59,001 --> 02:33:56,011
and moved into fiction you know

3442
02:34:01,251 --> 02:33:59,011
screenplays and novels you know I I'm

3443
02:34:03,440 --> 02:34:01,261
having a lot more fun with it and yeah I

3444
02:34:05,360 --> 02:34:03,450
don't want to research anymore I don't

3445
02:34:08,661 --> 02:34:05,370
want to research another unsolved murder

3446
02:34:10,850 --> 02:34:08,671
of like you know of a kid or a woman or

3447
02:34:13,520 --> 02:34:10,860
a you know a disappearance in general

3448
02:34:15,740 --> 02:34:13,530
because you get invested in the people

3449
02:34:17,751 --> 02:34:15,750
that are you know at the center of that

3450
02:34:20,810 --> 02:34:17,761
story even invested in the in the

3451
02:34:23,900 --> 02:34:20,820
families that of the missing you know I

3452
02:34:25,520 --> 02:34:23,910
don't care to you know invest my my soul

3453
02:34:28,390 --> 02:34:25,530
into that maybe it was the experience in

3454
02:34:32,570 --> 02:34:28,400
Key West that did that it probably was

3455
02:34:34,940 --> 02:34:32,580
you know where you just you know you

3456
02:34:37,190 --> 02:34:34,950
come out of that encounter just a little

3457
02:34:39,530 --> 02:34:37,200
worse for her for where and you just

3458
02:34:42,711 --> 02:34:39,540
want to do something fun and so I that's

3459
02:34:45,490 --> 02:34:42,721
what I do I have fun writing fiction now

3460
02:34:48,051 --> 02:34:45,500
and hanging out with my my kids and

3461
02:34:50,751 --> 02:34:48,061
that's the only way to stay sane

3462
02:34:52,730 --> 02:34:50,761
you know for the detectives that work

3463
02:34:55,190 --> 02:34:52,740
these cases every day and thank God for

3464
02:34:56,751 --> 02:34:55,200
them because I can't do it but the

3465
02:34:58,881 --> 02:34:56,761
detectives that think about these cases

3466
02:35:01,070 --> 02:34:58,891
every single day for twenty thirty years

3467
02:35:02,270 --> 02:35:01,080
the only way they stay sane as they go

3468
02:35:04,700 --> 02:35:02,280
home at the end of the night and they

3469
02:35:05,990 --> 02:35:04,710
hug their kids you know they're they're

3470
02:35:09,200 --> 02:35:06,000
you know you know they're little boys

3471
02:35:11,301 --> 02:35:09,210
and girls and that's what you need you

3472
02:35:14,480 --> 02:35:11,311
need you need to be grounded in family

3473
02:35:17,751 --> 02:35:14,490
and you've got to have you got to have

3474
02:35:20,841 --> 02:35:17,761
fun you have to wonder also how they

3475
02:35:22,520 --> 02:35:20,851
manage to keep at this for twenty thirty

3476
02:35:25,310 --> 02:35:22,530
years or do they do their normal work

3477
02:35:27,711 --> 02:35:25,320
each day pound the pavement do their

3478
02:35:29,631 --> 02:35:27,721
investigative work and maybe at night or

3479
02:35:31,430 --> 02:35:29,641
on the weekends or when they have a

3480
02:35:32,990 --> 02:35:31,440
little spare time they say you know let

3481
02:35:34,551 --> 02:35:33,000
me get back to this cold case and see

3482
02:35:36,831 --> 02:35:34,561
what's going on yeah that's probably

3483
02:35:38,331 --> 02:35:36,841
that's probably and they get criticized

3484
02:35:40,761 --> 02:35:38,341
for that sometimes oh yeah and he worked

3485
02:35:43,220 --> 02:35:40,771
an hour on this case in the last week

3486
02:35:46,820 --> 02:35:43,230
but you know you don't want them working

3487
02:35:47,930 --> 02:35:46,830
on this 24/7 for years I mean you got to

3488
02:35:50,359 --> 02:35:47,940
think about what that would do into a

3489
02:35:53,000 --> 02:35:50,369
person but ya know it's interesting

3490
02:35:54,710 --> 02:35:53,010
the characters you mentioned we see on

3491
02:35:57,349 --> 02:35:54,720
these shows the one thing I think they

3492
02:35:58,960 --> 02:35:57,359
do get right is this idea that something

3493
02:36:01,609 --> 02:35:58,970
traumatic happened in the character's

3494
02:36:04,639 --> 02:36:01,619
childhood that led them to become a

3495
02:36:06,710 --> 02:36:04,649
killer or you know in a Fender in some

3496
02:36:09,889 --> 02:36:06,720
way and I think that's that's very true

3497
02:36:13,460 --> 02:36:09,899
you know every case that I've seen that

3498
02:36:13,910 --> 02:36:13,470
investigated the you know that's that's

3499
02:36:16,099 --> 02:36:13,920
true

3500
02:36:19,639 --> 02:36:16,109
you know they've invariably had some

3501
02:36:21,439 --> 02:36:19,649
sort of trauma as a kid so that's the

3502
02:36:24,229 --> 02:36:21,449
one thing they do get right well in

3503
02:36:28,370 --> 02:36:24,239
general they do have advisors to all

3504
02:36:31,219 --> 02:36:28,380
these shows policemen police women they

3505
02:36:33,530 --> 02:36:31,229
have people from the FBI or whoever and

3506
02:36:35,960 --> 02:36:33,540
they give them basic information they

3507
02:36:38,359 --> 02:36:35,970
help them fact-check procedure and

3508
02:36:40,069 --> 02:36:38,369
things that happen but the actual

3509
02:36:42,590 --> 02:36:40,079
incidents well it's fiction they want to

3510
02:36:44,000 --> 02:36:42,600
keep you coming back week after week

3511
02:36:46,670 --> 02:36:44,010
year after year and some of these shows

3512
02:36:49,160 --> 02:36:46,680
just last forever like CSI or Law &

3513
02:36:52,880 --> 02:36:49,170
Order SVU is what going into its 16th

3514
02:36:55,910 --> 02:36:52,890
year right I mean it's amazing these

3515
02:36:58,510 --> 02:36:55,920
shows never seem to end and people still

3516
02:37:02,599 --> 02:36:58,520
want them it's like even NCIS about the

3517
02:37:05,359 --> 02:37:02,609
naval investigative agency it's been

3518
02:37:06,649 --> 02:37:05,369
going on year after year they get all

3519
02:37:08,630 --> 02:37:06,659
these ratings so obviously there's an

3520
02:37:11,599 --> 02:37:08,640
audience for them we're hardwired I

3521
02:37:15,319 --> 02:37:11,609
think humans are hard-wired to love

3522
02:37:18,649 --> 02:37:15,329
mystery I think where we evolved where

3523
02:37:20,960 --> 02:37:18,659
we have brains that want to figure

3524
02:37:22,729 --> 02:37:20,970
things out that want to answer puzzles

3525
02:37:25,399 --> 02:37:22,739
and questions and that's what's led us

3526
02:37:28,429 --> 02:37:25,409
to be so successful and I think

3527
02:37:30,469 --> 02:37:28,439
instinctually we love mysteries and we

3528
02:37:32,719 --> 02:37:30,479
love a good mystery in there's no higher

3529
02:37:33,410 --> 02:37:32,729
stakes for a mystery than a good murder

3530
02:37:35,389 --> 02:37:33,420
mystery

3531
02:37:38,120 --> 02:37:35,399
you know the you're dealing with life

3532
02:37:40,550 --> 02:37:38,130
and death and so there's a reason why

3533
02:37:42,859 --> 02:37:40,560
those the stories work so well yeah it's

3534
02:37:45,170 --> 02:37:42,869
what we like we like this book it came

3535
02:37:47,210 --> 02:37:45,180
from Ohio I had fun reading it oh thank

3536
02:37:49,700 --> 02:37:47,220
you thank you where can our listeners

3537
02:37:52,340 --> 02:37:49,710
find more of what you do actually I

3538
02:37:54,260 --> 02:37:52,350
forgot to mention this but I'm actually

3539
02:37:55,969 --> 02:37:54,270
gonna be in Illinois which is that's

3540
02:37:57,830 --> 02:37:55,979
where you're at right well actually I'm

3541
02:38:02,149 --> 02:37:57,840
in Arizona but our co-host is there this

3542
02:38:03,059 --> 02:38:02,159
weekend I'm gonna be ill annoy County

3543
02:38:05,939 --> 02:38:03,069
con

3544
02:38:08,550 --> 02:38:05,949
at Round Lake Beach on June 28th and

3545
02:38:10,409 --> 02:38:08,560
29th you can catch me there or in

3546
02:38:12,920 --> 02:38:10,419
Northeast Ohio I've got James Renner

3547
02:38:16,039 --> 02:38:12,930
calm is where you can go for my stories

3548
02:38:19,050 --> 02:38:16,049
you can find the man from primrose lane

3549
02:38:21,389 --> 02:38:19,060
novel that came out in 2012 that has the

3550
02:38:24,539 --> 02:38:21,399
lefland frog in it at any bookstore

3551
02:38:26,699 --> 02:38:24,549
across the United States and my next

3552
02:38:28,439 --> 02:38:26,709
novel the great forgetting which you

3553
02:38:30,539 --> 02:38:28,449
might like it's it's it's all about

3554
02:38:35,939 --> 02:38:30,549
government conspiracy theories and

3555
02:38:37,979 --> 02:38:35,949
paranoia comes out next May May 2015 you

3556
02:38:39,929 --> 02:38:37,989
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3557
02:38:42,449 --> 02:38:39,939
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3558
02:38:45,239 --> 02:38:42,459
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3559
02:38:47,219 --> 02:38:45,249
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3560
02:38:50,279 --> 02:38:47,229
figure out a way to make them one Chris

3561
02:38:53,010 --> 02:38:50,289
O'Brien site is our strange planet calm

3562
02:38:55,829 --> 02:38:53,020
our strange planet calm his new book is

3563
02:38:57,689 --> 02:38:55,839
stalking the herd if you buy it from the

3564
02:38:59,999 --> 02:38:57,699
site enough from Amazon anywhere else

3565
02:39:02,010 --> 02:39:00,009
you buy from the site he'll autograph it

3566
02:39:03,749 --> 02:39:02,020
for you how about that James Renner

3567
02:39:13,400 --> 02:39:03,759
thanks for joining us on the power cast

3568
02:39:19,830 --> 02:39:16,920
the para cast featuring gene Steinberg

3569
02:39:22,820 --> 02:39:19,840
and Christopher O'Brien is a copyrighted

3570
02:39:26,550 --> 02:39:22,830
presentation of making the impossible